If you train a sedentary man with elite potential, 3 months later what 5k can he run?

the last two sentences are ridiculous

if you have natural high baseline vo2max and decent running economy, you can run a sub 18 5k in one week

elitefieldshard wrote:

the last two sentences are ridiculous

if you have natural high baseline vo2max and decent running economy, you can run a sub 18 5k in one week

I was talking about a sedentary person.

A 9-5 office guy.

First thing he will do after 5-8 years of sedentary life will be to develop shin splints.

that mediocre guy wrote:

my experience... wrote:

19:58 1st race after 2 weeks of jogging and sedentary previously

16:50 3 months later (running 30 mpw)

15:00 15 months after my 19:58 (running 45-55 mpw)

13:40 6 years after my 19:58 (running 70-90 mpw)

Good post. These times line up almost exactly with my own. Just add 2 minutes to all of them.

I would need to add 5 minutes to all of them

27:00 without training

23:00 after 6 months

19:40 after 1 year

18:40 after 6 years

Granted I focus on marathons but still, sad!

my experience... wrote:

19:58 1st race after 2 weeks of jogging and sedentary previously

16:50 3 months later (running 30 mpw)

15:00 15 months after my 19:58 (running 45-55 mpw)

13:40 6 years after my 19:58 (running 70-90 mpw)

That would be an example of elite.

Sedentary life means 5-8 years of either playing Candy Crush 6-8 hours/day, or working from 9 to 5.

My college buddy was badly injured in a car crash and did not run a step for 3 months. Two months into training he ran 15' low. The next year he was an olympian.

genes rule, you lost the lotto wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

Nobody who has never run a step or done sports has elite potential. Athletic "talent" develops during childhood in response to environmental stresses. People call it "talent" because they don't understand where it comes from, it is mysterious to them.

Kenyans who grow up starving and working hard all day on their farms, of course they're gonna adapt in a way that makes them good marathoners, for example. Did you grow up hungry and hard at physical labor all day, no, well no elite marathon potential for you, unless maybe you're Galen Rupp. Maybe. But he's probably too big to keep up with the 2:04 crowd.

Idiot.

Lots of people start running late and have elite potential. There's no correlation between growing up "hungry and hard" and having elite potential.

You're a nut job.

You have nothing but shit.

There are no Americans and no Europeans among elite marathon ranks, and for the foreseeable future there NEVER WILL BE, because they don't develop the right way.

All you moronic asswipes who bloviate about genetics need remedial science. Genotype is merely a set of tools that is put to use in response to environmental stress, i.e. epigenetics. Nobody in America or Europe grows up with the right combination of hunger and physical activity to develop into an elite marathoner. Galen Rupp has NO chance to compete with top elites, he is just too big.

To cut your next mouth fart short, look how genetically distinct Kenyans and Ethiopians are. And yet they both make great marathoners. Hmmm... guess where they both rank in daily caloric intake.

You are fixated on this low calorie nonsense. Do you really think that all of the top east african distance runners are on a low calorie diet, or grew up starving?

Do you have some eating disorder issues?

can anyone tell me what is elite BMI?18?

BMI reading of 18 is on the skinny side of skinny. BMI is Body Mass Index

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_mass_index

Honestly sir, that is probably the most idiotic thing anyone on here has ever said. The top cyclists are in such good aerobic shape that even if their legs aren't ready for sustained running their lungs will carry them to at least sub 18:00

Used to run wrote:

Not everyone wants to be a professional athlete. I know i had the ability to be, but i prefer doing something that allows me to do other things than run.

I did enjoy training, but other things in life come up that are more important.

I never asked u to believe me. I dont care about accolades. I don't boast about this. If someone asks me randomly about it, i will tell them. It was relevant to this discussion so i posted anonymously.

You said you didn't race much after doing this epic training but what were your times when you did and what were you running before?

Oscar Pistorious is faster than you Jonny, and he doesn't even have ankles.

elitefieldshard wrote:

Short good answer wrote:

You need to provide info on his weight also.

Assuming 50kg /110 lbs I'd guess sub 15 high in sedentary mode and probably 14 flat 3 months later.

That's talent in a nutshell.

as i wrote, his BMI is 20, is that clear?

BMI 20, 13:00 potential, I see him running around 16:00 by 3 months.

I'm certainly not elite, but this anecdote is meant to show how unfit sedentary people are before training -

I don't really remember much about starting running when I was fourteen except I was super intense and competitive with the older kids - I went from a 6:00 mile time trial in August xc to running 4:40 that May in track, later ran D1.

Anyway, I stopped running for eight years and started up again a couple months ago. I gained perhaps five pounds but not more since I used to run, and there was a period a few years ago where I was cycling about fourteen hours a week - so I have experience!

When I started, I honest-to-god couldn't' run two miles at 9:00 pace. It was staggering. I actually made a doctor's apt because I assumed something was wrong with me.

I'm now able to do comfortable 6 mile runs at about 7:30 pace, but it's not a walk in the park. My point is that I had sub 31 10k ability at one point and all these years later, lost all of it.

I suspect elites would be closer to 20 mins untrained, but would develop quite rapidly - I don't believe stories of untrained people running 16 or 17 mins off the couch.