Drew HUNTER workout last week

The 800s seem the meat and bones of the session. The 80's are a nice bit of speed to finish with. They aren't difficult even after a session like that.

The 200s are what? Some kind of warm up? Seems ridiculous to even time them.

fred wrote:

why call it Tinman Training, like it's something special?

The two miles - maintenance of general aerobic strength - at 10k-10mile ish pace I'd guess so still not exactly straightforward.

200s - to get the change of rhythm into the legs - not really important in themselves.

800s - the serious bit.

80s - just some strides in effect - maybe thinking a bit about remembering how to run fast when tired.

I'm assuming that Drew doesn't have a tough race this week. Tinman during main racing season, I think, does less challenging work as the workout if there is also a race that week. If you've recovered from the race and don't have a race coming up, you get a session that is supposed to be hard. Tinman thinks that people shouldn't race and have hard workouts.

This session the threshold run and 200m strides are probably just a warm-up. Then is the hard 800s. And then top-end maintenance

I could do the warm up, 2 min jog, 1 min jog, jog back recovery, and cool down.

Bop wrote:

I would be able to do the 200s and maybe the 80s but couldnt even race any part of the rest of the workout

Metric Miler wrote:

The 200s are what? Some kind of warm up? Seems ridiculous to even time them.

With 30 seconds between each, then only 1 min between those and the 800's, I feel like they do something. He'll be starting the first 800 not fresh.

wow really wrote:

Metric Miler wrote:

The 200s are what? Some kind of warm up? Seems ridiculous to even time them.

With 30 seconds between each, then only 1 min between those and the 800's, I feel like they do something. He'll be starting the first 800 not fresh.

This.

Gets the legs moving, and gets more out of the first real rep (800) by not starting fresh. No "free" first 100. Smart.

This workout is hardly radical, and other than the 3rd 800m in 1:58, is hardly out of the range of anyone who could run a low 1:50s for 800m or a 3:45 1500m....But this is a kid who has run 1:48 and will likely run 3:38 this summer.

The tempo to start, and 200s with low rest were standard fare for my group back in the 90s. The 800s are tough but with 6 min rest totally doable. The 80s are a great ender to get some turnover while tired....this coach knows what he is doing.

"Stuffer" and "Old Legs" are spot-on in my opinion. This is a long workout and not something to be completed the week of a race; but I would imagine Drew finished feeling as if he could do more work if required.

If you look at the effort levels for each tier of that workout, nothing at all stands out to me.

jman1 wrote:

"Stuffer" and "Old Legs" are spot-on in my opinion. This is a long workout and not something to be completed the week of a race; but I would imagine Drew finished feeling as if he could do more work if required.

If you look at the effort levels for each tier of that workout, nothing at all stands out to me.

And yet, he did complete this workout the week of his 1:48 800. Probably not totally fresh on race day.

Tinman never said they don't do faster stuff than 10k CV pace work. i'm pretty sure he even outlined some examples of faster work he has him do.you're an idiot.think about training, in general, for a moment. you think Drew Hunter, a 3:57 miler, would never do any workouts at mile pace or faster to be able to run mile pace?you're an idiot

fred wrote:

21011 wrote:

What do you think 4:50 pace is?

What do you think 2:06, 2:01, 1:58 is?

What do you think 80's at 25 sec 200 pace is?

The previous threads were hyping just 10k pace nothing harder

fred never gets it right, eh? wrote:

Tinman never said they don't do faster stuff than 10k CV pace work. i'm pretty sure he even outlined some examples of faster work he has him do.

you're an idiot.

think about training, in general, for a moment.

you think Drew Hunter, a 3:57 miler, would never do any workouts at mile pace or faster to be able to run mile pace?

you're an idiot

fred wrote:

What do you think 2:06, 2:01, 1:58 is?

What do you think 80's at 25 sec 200 pace is?

The previous threads were hyping just 10k pace nothing harder

Reading comprehension isn´t your strong side, is it?

fred never gets it right, eh? wrote:

Tinman never said they don't do faster stuff than 10k CV pace work. i'm pretty sure he even outlined some examples of faster work he has him do.

you're an idiot.

think about training, in general, for a moment.

you think Drew Hunter, a 3:57 miler, would never do any workouts at mile pace or faster to be able to run mile pace?

you're an idiot

Spot on.

George Atlas wrote:

I like the way his coach is holding back. This is not blasting like I expected to read when I saw the post. Especially from a 1:48/3:57 guy

Nothing too crazy, it is in line with his PRs. It is a little less than world class and is about what the top NCAA MD guys might do. With that said, I wish people would stop saying Drew is being held back in training, 18 year old athletes don't do workouts like that.

It's basically less than 10 minutes at slower than threshold pace plus 3x800 at slightly faster than VO2max pace with long rests. Compared to most other coaches that's definitely "holding back".

Based on this, I feel comfortable saying we're seeing 95% of what he's going to do. Is he ridiculously talented? Yes. Is he overtrained? Probably not. Is he training at the level of a top NCAA D1 mid-d runner? Yes. Will he get faster? Yes, but not by much. i'm not saying he won't be a 27:30' 10K runner in 3 years, but he won't be anywhere near as amazing a college runner as he is a high school runner.

It's not gonna get much better wrote:

Based on this, I feel comfortable saying we're seeing 95% of what he's going to do. Is he ridiculously talented? Yes. Is he overtrained? Probably not. Is he training at the level of a top NCAA D1 mid-d runner? Yes. Will he get faster? Yes, but not by much. i'm not saying he won't be a 27:30' 10K runner in 3 years, but he won't be anywhere near as amazing a college runner as he is a high school runner.

What's your reason for "comfortably" saying this? Apart from the inserted 200s that workout is a standard Tinman workout that he probably has given hundreds of people in slightly altered forms. It certainly doesn't say anything about how fast Drew will run in college.

I was a 4:07 high school miler in the late 70's. I rarely had the chance to run on decent tracks - maybe not a bad thing given that the cinders were easier on the legs.

I could have done this workout (and likely did some that were similar), but likely wouldn't have done the two mile stint as I really focused more on speed. This having been said, I live near Hunter, have seen him run, I and don't have anywhere near Hunter's talent. And I would have been relatively blown out by a workout like this - something Hunter likely did not experience.

I would really like him to take a run at the high school 5k record.

Because this is happening more and more. Uber -talents training at collegiate levels in high school. and staying healthy. Let's see how much faster he gets after his first injury. It's a pattern we're seeing all the time. I'm sure folks on this board can rattle off 10 great high school runners who improved marginally in college. I hope he's the exception who improves significantly, but I wouldn't put money on it.

impressive wrote:

I was a 4:07 high school miler in the late 70's. I rarely had the chance to run on decent tracks - maybe not a bad thing given that the cinders were easier on the legs.

I could have done this workout (and likely did some that were similar), but likely wouldn't have done the two mile stint as I really focused more on speed. This having been said, I live near Hunter, have seen him run, I and don't have anywhere near Hunter's talent. And I would have been relatively blown out by a workout like this - something Hunter likely did not experience.

I would really like him to take a run at the high school 5k record.