Here is Molly breaking the tape while losing in a close, non-track, race:
https://youtu.be/URpz52SXrIE?t=22s
It's not a great angle, but watch it in slowmo. Her right arm (the one opposite her competitor) extends quite far from her body right at the end. She actually looks like she's flailing quite a bit down the chute.
maybe she celebrates with a clothesline
NFL RULES
What is Clothesline Tackle?
A football move in which a player on defense strikes an offensive player on the neck or chest by extending an arm away from his body and parallel to the playing field. This type of tackle is considered unnecessary roughness and a personal foul, and generally results in a penalty and sometimes a fine or other action by the league. Clothesline tackles can be made from in front or behind.
I got up and watched the race live this morning....the other girl should have been DQ-ed for cutting Molly off about 5 times prior. And when sprinting to the finish in a road race, why run at Molly's back?....someone tries to run up my inside on a track, I move over and block them. Molly was clear in front. If the girl wanted to pass, go wide...I recall Bekele doing this to Mo Farah at the Great North Run, and there was no complaint.
No way this is a DQ.
They likely do not have a NYRR rule for this. Everyone incorrectly thinks road racing is simple and meaningless and does not need a thick rule book like the IAAF has for track.
Without a clear rule, and without a protest, likely no DQ, BUT what she did was unethical.
She veered from a running a straight line to block the other runner's path;
She only extends one arm up. That is a weird way to celebrate or break the tape.
She acted a little guilty after the win. No huge celebration or high fiving fans. She looks sheepish and subdued, esp after setting a big PR. Maybe she was just exhausted and did not realize what she was doing but she still impeded the other runner.
It does not matter what happened earlier in the race. Two wrongs do not make a right. If you are racing against a known cheater, you do not have the right to cheat yourself.
This was not clean and fair racing on her part, I was a fan of hers but now will not be.
What will New Balance do? Likely ignore it, but they should question it,
How many different posters do you think are Molly-bashing on this thread? Maybe 1 guy posting the same thing 100 times. This thread is as long as the day 4 WC thread!
Whoever you are, give it a rest troll.
The letter why wrote:
How many different posters do you think are Molly-bashing on this thread? Maybe 1 guy posting the same thing 100 times. This thread is as long as the day 4 WC thread!
Whoever you are, give it a rest troll.
I'm guessing it's Rojo trying to drum a fake controversy a la flinch-gate. They saw hits increase after the Huddle/Infeld finish and he's trying to recreate it.
oldlegs wrote:
I got up and watched the race live this morning....the other girl should have been DQ-ed for cutting Molly off about 5 times prior.
Irrelevant.
oldlegs wrote:
And when sprinting to the finish in a road race, why run at Molly's back?....someone tries to run up my inside on a track, I move over and block them.
I am going to assume that you see the difference between that and holding your arm out as a bar.
Next denier, please!
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Without a clear rule, and without a protest, likely no DQ, BUT what she did was unethical.
That's putting it mildly. Classless would be another word.
When Mo Farah fell in this race and G Mutai continued running, he was criticized as being classless on this board. Now we have a case of an American runner armbarring another. Most here see it as unethical, except a few fanboys.
this and this wrote:
She veered from a running a straight line to block the other runner's path;
Correct. Very clear to see in the video. The other runner holds a line along side the pavement stripe, which Huddle veers into.
this and this wrote:
She only extends one arm up. That is a weird way to celebrate or break the tape.
Correct. It was neither. It was blocking.
this and this wrote:
It does not matter what happened earlier in the race. Two wrongs do not make a right. If you are racing against a known cheater, you do not have the right to cheat yourself.
Clearly. This is like asking for a pass for doping because you think your competition doped first.
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This was not clean and fair racing on her part, I was a fan of hers but now will not be.
Agreed. Even if she keeps the cheating "win" she should give the difference in money to the runner she cheated out of it.
gdm wrote:
Here is Molly breaking the tape while losing in a close, non-track, race:
https://youtu.be/URpz52SXrIE?t=22sIt's not a great angle, but watch it in slowmo. Her right arm (the one opposite her competitor) extends quite far from her body right at the end. She actually looks like she's flailing quite a bit down the chute.
Not even similar to today's race.
I already pointed it out Agreed
Parallel wrote:
I'm surprised no one pointed this out: look how Chepkirui remains parallel to the yellow lines until the last three steps when she is being cut-off / forced left by Huddle. Definite DQ.
Molly Huddle showed poor sportsmanship and should of been disqualified when she extended her arm out at the tail end of the race, to prevent Joyce Chepkirui from getting the edge on her, which would of more than likely changed the whole outcome of the race. I really hate to see people get robbed like that. It's just so unfair. But I guess that's just the way it is huh????
turbodiesel wrote:
pick a lane wrote:Molly does block the Kenyan but the Kenyan was trying to run right through her space. She is allowed to defend that space.
You don't get to pass like the Kenyan attempted to. You have to pass in your own space.
HAVE YOU EVER RUN A RACE?
NO, you cannot "defend" space that is BESIDE YOU by PUTTING YOUR ARM INTO THAT SPACE.
What you CAN do is RUN IN A STRAIGHT LINE. The most "defense" you are entitled to is that you can (and should) hold your own line.
Why does someone with your knowledge feel compelled to make up a response? This is like reading YouTube commenters on Bolt's false start.
Yes and I have won many as well. The Kenyan is running in Huddle's arm apace. That counts.
Maybe one day you'll be up there contending for the win. Do not run into someone's elbow..
Why does a non-winner like yourself speculate on close finishes? That's like Mike Rossi talking about how tough the end of a marathon is.
Looks like they bumped wrists as they were both sprinting to the line. Molly was slightly ahead and probably did not have a view as to where the other runner was, and instinctively held her arm out to protect her space and avoid getting tripped up. I probably would have done the same, in the same situation. Runners do this all the time during track races, usually the trailing runner reaching out and laying a hand on another runner to make them aware of their presence.
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She acted a little guilty after the win. No huge celebration or high fiving fans. She looks sheepish and subdued, esp after setting a big PR. Maybe she was just exhausted and did not realize what she was doing but she still impeded the other runner.
I noticed this too. I mean she doesn't seem the type to go around high fiving fans anyway, but it didn't seem like a celebratory expression at all. I mean she probably was tired, but it kind of looked like she maybe realized what she did.
It is definitely interference. Not sure how to rule. Give them a tie and split the prize money or move Huddle to second. But she did impede and deserves a penalty. Cheap!
jjjjjj wrote:
Bekele moves back and forth, looking back frequently to check, to block Farah from passing on the narrow remaining road at the finish of their showdown a few years back:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icdS6BjnKlA
I don't know how anyone compares that video you posted to what Huddle did today. Drifting out on a road or track is totally different than slamming someone with your arms.
The letter why wrote:
How many different posters do you think are Molly-bashing on this thread? Maybe 1 guy posting the same thing 100 times. This thread is as long as the day 4 WC thread!
Whoever you are, give it a rest troll.
I think the interest in this is genuine. This story on the front page was BY Far THE most popular story on the homepage. It was getting a lot of social media and google traction. Maybe it got google traction as few others covered the race?
1) Molly was lucky not to be dq'ed but I guess she did just enough to not make it absolutely obvious
2) Not sure the point the "double standard" people are trying to make. Seems Molly is getting plenty of vitriol, as much or more than if it was the other way around. Also not sure why people think it wrong for the USA and Molly fans to stand up for her, and take the most favorable position for her. If they dont then who will.
3) For those that say it doesnt matter if it was happening to Molly earlier havent obviously watched many sports, the context of the infraction always needs to be considered. I mean in basketball the ref doesnt let something go all game only to call it in the last two seconds, a noncall at the begining should remain a non call at the end.
4) If the Kenyan wanted to win she should have moved over such that she had space to pass, even if they both go straight there was going to be contact, in this case Molly moves over a few inches and then puts her arm out assuring the contact. The Kenyan has got make her own space to make the pass, perhaps thats not fair but hey in most sports you have to account for your opponent pushing discretionary calls to the limit of there advantage. If you dont you will always get disappointed.
In the end if I am an official at the end I am not sure if I would have dq'ed or not not, I think I probably would have but to say this a 100% sure bet DQ I think that is not accurate as there are lots of reasons to go both ways, but fwiw I have seen much worse go unpunished and obviously the officials felt that way too.
Offsetting fouls, no penalty.