Another one bites the dust? 2012 London Olympic 1500 silver/gold medalist Gamze Bulut being investigated for ABP abnormalities

You disgust me wrote:

I am 100%, without a doubt confident that Shannon Rowbury is clean.

Unlike you, I know her very well.

Now please go speculate about someone else

And you are a total idiot, no one can know with certainty that someone else is 100% clean, no one.

100% certain? wrote:

And you are a total idiot, no one can know with certainty that someone else is 100% clean, no one.

I agree. I would even extend that to the person you think you know the best, yourself. Someone could be drugging you when you sleep, or your food. No one is above suspicion.

People close to Lance Armstrong swore up and down he was clean also. Like any other internet poster, you're entitled to your opinion, but in this day and age just don't expect it to convince anyone else.

You disgust me wrote:

I am 100%, without a doubt confident that Shannon Rowbury is clean.

Unlike you, I know her very well.

Now please go speculate about someone else

Respectfully, that is nice and I genuinely hope it's true. I mean that.

Again, if Ms. Rowbury feels strongly about maintaining a clean brand, then maybe she should publish her scores? The problem here is both the USATF and IAAF are working against clean athletes.

The IAAF could decide they need another example and take Ms. Rowbury down with a swapped sample and forged confession. (Read the IAAF's own report.)

And for that reason, it's reasonable for Ms. Rowbury to do nothing extraordinary regarding creating/maintaining a "clean" brand.

It is genuinely a terrible environment for a clean athlete.

Saw a picture of her and she looks like a he lol adams apple much???????//

Why don't all you Shannon Rowbury haters judge her competitors the way you judge her.

You are all a bunch of hypocrites and you disgust me to no end.

I do...I personally believe most if not all Olympic track finalists are either on PEDs or playing heavily in the gray zone. You can see it in how many from this race have since been nailed, you can see it in how many of the sprinters have been caught. It's nothing personal against Rowbury. I just don't believe you can make it through heats against a bunch of dopers and then finish high among the top dopers unless you are a doper yourself. Just one man's opinion.

You disgust me wrote:

Why don't all you Shannon Rowbury haters judge her competitors the way you judge her.

You are all a bunch of hypocrites and you disgust me to no end.

The doper's acne on 31 year old Rowbury is a dead giveaway, if you really know her personally I'd mention that she should probably start investing in a little bit more cover-up on race day (for her chin especially!).

Same goes for Rupp and Centro, whatever PED cocktail the NOP operates on is doing zero favors for their complexion.

Don't believe me? Watch enough interviews with any of these folks, especially from Moscow 2013, and you'll start to pick up on it. It's one of the biggest giveaways for PED usage and the NOP just roll with it like it's nothing, it is at times so blatant during the season that I can only sit back and laugh at what these scumbags are doing to athletics.

Grow up pizza face.

You are about as disgusting as they come.

Go crawl back under your rock.

vxcv wrote:

100% certain? wrote:

And you are a total idiot, no one can know with certainty that someone else is 100% clean, no one.

I agree. I would even extend that to the person you think you know the best, yourself. Someone could be drugging you when you sleep, or your food. No one is above suspicion.

Unbelievable. Are you really THAT stupid?

You disgust me wrote:

Why don't all you Shannon Rowbury haters judge her competitors the way you judge her.

You are all a bunch of hypocrites and you disgust me to no end.

You are missing the point.

You need to take the vitriol down way below 11 and I think you'll see I'm not calling Ms. Rowbury a doper.

Anyone could be dirty. I am not going to pile suspicion on Rowbury any more than Simpson or Uceny. Epstein could have done a better job reporting. Salazar rebutted his reporting and then. .... nothing. These results, Seppelt and the Sunday times reporting were better.We know about asthma and TUEs. Fleshman's story raised some good question. The pill in the book story was refuted without response from Magness. The Kara / TUE story was rebutted without response. the testosterone supplement / medication notation was overplayed - it was vague and I don't think he was doping a 16 year old and, really. Is that the best Magness can do? Taken together with the overhyped pill story and it looked like Magness was reaching. We will never know about androgel. The test on the son was weird but he could just have been worried about incidental contact but not willing to say that so he blame it on a run-in with Gatlin's masseuse. We can never know and testosterone cream seems pretty easy for anyone to get. Al Sal seems paranoid and reported the whole thing. Then Coach Cook said some mean things about Rowbury and suggested problems with NOP and then offered nothing either. They could be doping but i would like to see a test result or some stories that hold up.

Bring Back the 880 wrote:

That is why I stopped at serious suspicion. Did you read the Epstein articles? Anyone currently associating directly with Salazar is on thin ice as far as credibility IMO.

I'm not the one bringing her into the convo. We can discuss the caught cheats, but when people start making proclamations about who is clean, some scrutiny is warranted.

Bring back the 660 wrote:

testosterone supplement / medication notation was overplayed - it was vague and I don't think he was doping a 16 year old and, really. Is that the best Magness can do? Taken together with the overhyped pill story and it looked like Magness was reaching. We will never know about androgel. The test on the son was weird

Do you use your kid in uncontrolled human experiments very often? It's not terribly common. Unless you are Alberto Salazar.

There's this guy's story you should read. His name is Lance Armstrong. You should look his story up.

Clerk wrote:

You disgust me wrote:

I am 100%, without a doubt confident that Shannon Rowbury is clean.

Unlike you, I know her very well.

Now please go speculate about someone else

But we don't know you, so your opinion is as useful as any other internet profile.

Which means every anonymous accuser ever on this forums, opinion is invalidated as well.

Most logical people are good with that.

Pretty sure I posted before this thread.

Where the hell has the search function gone

Bring back the 660 wrote: We know about asthma and TUEs. Fleshman's story raised some good question.

Indeed it did. It exposed Fleshman as a grey area cheater for using altitude tents and gaming asthma tests with salazar's help. She decided to draw the line at unnecessary thyroid meds, but that doesn't make her better than someone like Rupp. He is officially clean too, after all.

I understand your sentiment but let's not toss around 'kid'. The experiment was weird but I am pretty sure the son was an adult.

When will Maryam Yusuf Jamal get her rightful and long overdue gold medal! I am getting tired of waiting.