There was reference to this workout on the tv broadcast and I got Salazar to confirm it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5E4Dtq05aE
Go to the 2:07 mark. Salazar said 3-4 weeks ago that Rupp ran 20 miles at 4:52 pace and his HR was just 149-50. Healso talks about why Rupp might be better than Mo at the marathon and a few other interesting things.
Here is a 2nd post-race interview with Salazar.
I'm surprised that Salazar/Rupp uses a heart rate monitor. Yeah, science-backed training, space age equipment and all that, but HRM isn't the most effective tool to monitor or guide training.
I'll take things that never happened for 200, Alex.
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Clerk wrote:
I'm surprised that Salazar/Rupp uses a heart rate monitor. Yeah, science-backed training, space age equipment and all that, but HRM isn't the most effective tool to monitor or guide training.
rojo wrote:
Go to the 2:07 mark. Salazar said 3-4 weeks ago that Rupp ran 20 miles at 4:52 pace and his HR was just 149-50. Healso talks about why Rupp might be better than Mo at the marathon and a few other interesting things.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmUqBrstCmE
That... that is an easy run. And please, his HR range was 149-150 for all 20 miles? Now I know what people are talking about when they say rojo sh!tposts
The shocker was he responded to rojo's questions, and politely! USADA must have him spooked!
Or he could be overtrained. Isn't low heartrate a sign of overtraining? I'm not sure.
dsgafsdf wrote:
Or he could be overtrained. Isn't low heartrate a sign of overtraining? I'm not sure.
in the beginning it is, but over long periods of time, not usually. And I think that's mostly a low resting heart rate. But, he's basically completely aerobic for this run
This is meaningless unless we know what his max HR is. If his max HR is 160 for example then this is not that great.
Coebra wrote:
That... that is an easy run. And please, his HR range was 149-150 for all 20 miles? Now I know what people are talking about when they say rojo sh!tposts
No, the HR never went over 150.
sure, because I know tons of 29yr olds with a 160 max HR. we don't *nneed to know what his max HR is, we can pretty darn accurately guesstimate it to be in a range MUCH higher than 150. ergo, he's basically aerobic and then some at 4:52 pace. that's amazing, he's uber fit right now. so far from meaningless that I don't even know where to start. I'll leave you in ventolin's capable insult hands now.
MikeRoss BAA wrote:
This is meaningless unless we know what his max HR is. If his max HR is 160 for example then this is not that great.
MikeRoss BAA wrote:
This is meaningless unless we know what his max HR is. If his max HR is 160 for example then this is not that great.
Correct, but let's just say his MHR is 190 and RHR is 40. This still isn't all that unusual. In theory 4:50 is just slower than MP based on his 10k PR. So a solid workout for sure, but not superhuman.
minong wrote:
MikeRoss BAA wrote:This is meaningless unless we know what his max HR is. If his max HR is 160 for example then this is not that great.
Correct, but let's just say his MHR is 190 and RHR is 40. This still isn't all that unusual. In theory 4:50 is just slower than MP based on his 10k PR. So a solid workout for sure, but not superhuman.
When Canova posts about those long hard runs the Kenyans do, posters gush like schoolgirls. When Rupp does it we get the same old shit from the forum morans.
squidward wrote:
minong wrote:Correct, but let's just say his MHR is 190 and RHR is 40. This still isn't all that unusual. In theory 4:50 is just slower than MP based on his 10k PR. So a solid workout for sure, but not superhuman.
When Canova posts about those long hard runs the Kenyans do, posters gush like schoolgirls. When Rupp does it we get the same old shit from the forum morans.
Quoted for truth.
minong wrote:
MikeRoss BAA wrote:This is meaningless unless we know what his max HR is. If his max HR is 160 for example then this is not that great.
Correct, but let's just say his MHR is 190 and RHR is 40. This still isn't all that unusual. In theory 4:50 is just slower than MP based on his 10k PR. So a solid workout for sure, but not superhuman.
I would guess Rupp is a bit higher than 190 but yeah for the 20 mile runs (i.e. no fueling issues), Rupp is in like a 2:04 guy. Running 4:52 is like 10s off that pace. Running at ~75-80% HRM (depending on max heart rate) seems about right to me.
It just seems insane because the pace is so fast.
minong wrote:
MikeRoss BAA wrote:This is meaningless unless we know what his max HR is. If his max HR is 160 for example then this is not that great.
Correct, but let's just say his MHR is 190 and RHR is 40. This still isn't all that unusual. In theory 4:50 is just slower than MP based on his 10k PR. So a solid workout for sure, but not superhuman.
His MHR is most definitely well about 190. Probably higher than 210. Ive had experience with a mid-level triathlon-er in his late 40s doing a VO2max test his heart rate maxed at 198, his predicted was 174 of course.
His HR at 149-150 IS superhuman. Probably at 70% MHR.
Maybe Rupp can actually be a world class marathoner. I mean, he has run 26:44.
Maybe he can run 2:05? That would shake things up.
I would imagine his resting is around 35 and his max is 180. If so, he's 115/145 at his max or right around 80% max. Not that crazy.
If he's truly a 2:05 guy, he ran 20 miles at 6 seconds per mi slower than MP. Renato Canova and others recommend runs at that length a tick slower than MP. Even guys who race shorter distances do workouts like that. Didnt Shaheen run 40k in 2:03 (25 mi at 4:55 pace) or 2:06 (25 mi at 5:02) while training for the steeple in the early 2000s?
rojo wrote:
There was reference to this workout on the tv broadcast and I got Salazar to confirm it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5E4Dtq05aEGo to the 2:07 mark. Salazar said 3-4 weeks ago that Rupp ran 20 miles at 4:52 pace and his HR was just 149-50. Healso talks about why Rupp might be better than Mo at the marathon and a few other interesting things.
Here is a 2nd post-race interview with Salazar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmUqBrstCmE
This would be if you trust that all the heart rate monitors are 100% accurate. One of the major online tech sites had an article on a research report that showed that every single brand had inaccuracies.
If correct, it would be the most amazing workout every Recorded.
Smooth Playa wrote:
I'll take things that never happened for 200, Alex.
Why is anyone taking Roberto salad bar at his word?!
He's got a history of truth problems.
