Lagat's Training, What has allowed his Longevity?

socal cush, Lagat definitely did not get faster in his late 30s. He ran 3:26.34 in his prime at 26 in 2001, and 12:59 with a 51 close to beat Bekele around 2005 at 30. His greatest achievement after that was the double gold performance at 2009 worlds when he was 34. In his 20s or early 30s, he could have run much faster for 3000m and 5000m. However, his best of 12:53 was set when he was 36, so it is true that his fastest 3000m and 5000m times were in his late 30s but he could certainly have run substantially faster had he attempted to run a fast 3k or 5k when he was in 3:26-27 shape (I actually think that Lagat's performance curve makes a lot more sense if he was actually younger than his listed age, whereas I think that Geb was actually older than his listed age). However, if we accept his listed age, you do have a point that it is highly unusual to have been at that level so late. Nevertheless, 12:53 and 7:29 are not on the level of 3:26 and when he ran the former times he was only about a 3:30-32 guy.

i meant his longer distances, 3k/5k, but yes, he did not get faster than 3:26.34. however, if you were to age grade his performances in all distances, he did get a little faster. but it would be fair to point out that this is not necessarily uncommon with age grading (in fact, my 1500 time at age 45 is, i think, my best lifetime age graded performance).

his fast 3ks/5ks in his mid to late 30s are one piece of "evidence" to be suspicious (a la regina jacobs), but aren't enough to categorically state he was on something. that's why i'm suspicious, but admittedly uncertain...

Not enough people attempt to keep going past mid-thirties to even know what should be "normal".

So, if I wanted to have longevity like Lagat, would I only run once a day 6 days a week like him? Or would so little training make me very slow and quite below my potential because I lack Lagat's talent?

Genetics. John Trautmann beat Bob Kennedy at 5000 for the trials.

" He blazed a new world record in the mile for the men’s 45-and-older age group, clocking an impressive 4 minutes, 12.33 seconds."

What's SoCush's 45 plus time, and was he a U.S. elite in his 20's?

agc5k wrote:

So, if I wanted to have longevity like Lagat, would I only run once a day 6 days a week like him? Or would so little training make me very slow and quite below my potential because I lack Lagat's talent?

His easy day might have been 10 @ 5:20 pace @ 6,000 feet.

agc5k wrote:

So, if I wanted to have longevity like Lagat, would I only run once a day 6 days a week like him? Or would so little training make me very slow and quite below my potential because I lack Lagat's talent?

However fast you are you would maintain that level if you train like Lagat does.

This is less about developing and ,more about holding your ground.

Bogus test wrote:

fifa wrote:

Martial Saugy(the alleged fixer) also happened to be the IAAF expert present when the B sample was thrown out

Because the A sample was clean. Provide a link to a real positive test with both A and B sample confirming use of PEDs.

Marion Jones also had a positive A sample for EPO, but a negative B sample.

Of course, we now know she was on drugs the entire time.

fred wrote:

Genetics.

What's SoCush's 45 plus time, and was he a U.S. elite in his 20's?

3:55 @ 1500 .yes.

1500m 3:37.94 London (GBR) 10.07.1992 xx xxxx

1500m ind. 3:40.95 Stuttgart (GER) 07.02.1993 xx xxxx

Mile 3:55.42 Eugene (USA) 04.06.1995

fred wrote:

Genetics. John Trautmann beat Bob Kennedy at 5000 for the trials.

" He blazed a new world record in the mile for the men’s 45-and-older age group, clocking an impressive 4 minutes, 12.33 seconds."

What's SoCush's 45 plus time, and was he a U.S. elite in his 20's?

i ran a 3:55.09 for 1500m outdoors at 45, which is probably a tiny bit inferior to trautmann's indoor mile. my mile time in my 20s was a 3:55.42 (3:37.94 for 1500m)--probably a bit faster than trautmann's pr (not sure), but he was a superior athlete relative to our events. i maybe had a longer pro career, though; as far as i know trautmann struggled with injuries after 1992...

as for genetics--yes, i think lagat benefits from this, as do many successful athletes of all ages, but that usually underestimates the benefits and importance of training intelligently and so many other components (coaching, diet, training group, training enthusiasm, support system, etc.) that lagat may have been privy to that others are not. also, it's too easy to draw conclusions from a mileage standpoint--i've seen many masters who've come from both backgrounds in their youth, and some struggle, and some succeed...

Did Burns drop off at 60, or did he get injured or something?

burns has had some injuries the last 3 years (usually achilles)--he ran a fast 800 at the same meet i ran my 3:55 in 2013. haven't seen him in a while, but that's not uncommon with our club with some of the athletes...

The A sample was positive, and Saugy fixed the B sample. And that's really all you have to know.

blake white wrote:

lagat needs to be deported and never let back into the united states. he cant speak English, he is not a product of here, he is a trador and a terrorist who has stolen Olympic glory from real Americans like anal webb. he doesn't belong here and nobody wants him here. he has already competed for the enemy in the Olympics and now he is pretending to be one of us. he will never be one of us. he is a disgusting international criminal who needs to be deported and charged with treason, illegal alienship, and racketeering

Haha "anal webb"

Bernard's World Championships double gold (1500m/5000m) came in 2007, not 2009. He was 32.

2009 was the year that Kenenisa won World Championships double gold (5000m/10,000m).

The race you mention where Lagat beat Bekele might have been this one:

According to the IAAF's tables, in London on July 28th, 2006, Lagat ran a 12:59.22 for first, and Kenenisa ran 13:00.04 for second. No Golden League jackpot available for 5,000m that year, if I'm not mistaken, so no great reason for Bekele to go all-in that season...but 51 is pretty fast.

My mistake: There was a Golden League jackpot in 2006 for 5,000m, and Kenenisa won it. Back then, you win 5 of 6 designated races, you get a piece of a jackpot. You win 6 of 6, you get a bigger piece of a jackpot. Kenenisa won 5 of the 6 jackpot races, however London wasn't one of those deisgnated locations. His winning times were 12:51.44, 12:50.18, 12:48.25, 12:48.09, and 12:57.74. So he easily could have beaten Bernard that year if he had wanted to guarantee it from the gun.

As an aside, I'd also like to point out that 4 TIMES IN ONE YEAR Kenenisa ran faster than Mo Farah's current PR, and all for just $83,333 in the end. Further evidence that anyone calling Mo the GOAT over Kenenisa is out of their mind.