Is Rupp running Olympic marathon or not?

Not Rupp Certified

the Salazar Difference wrote:

the Rupp difference wrote:

...but Rupp isn't like everyone else. He's coached by one of the most successful American marathoners ever and has basically all of Nikes resources at his disposal....

As have other Salazar marathoners. No super marathoners has Salazar ever produced.

Ritz ran 2:07:47. That's not too shabby.

Hasn't Rupp said that from the beginning of his time with Salazar that these Olympics were the games that they were targeting the hardest?

My bet is that Rupp will throw all of his effort in preparing for Rio into his best event.

What is his best event? I say it's somewhere around 15k. I believe that diminishing returns already present themselves in the half-marathon for Rupp, and the marathon is the next distance beyond that. Rupp's ability in the marathon, in my opinion (until I see otherwise) is kind of like his ability in the 3000m - really, really good, maybe best in the U.S. at the moment, but 2 notches below the world's best.

Since 15k is not an Olympic distance, I say Rupp throws everything into the 10,000 at these games, and therefore does not run the Olympic Trials.

If Rupp runs OT (and possibly Olympics) do you think that would hurt his earning potential for a world major marathon appearance fee?

Would Chicago, etc pony up more money for his "debut" than for his 2nd/3rd marathon, even if he were a medalist?

this was probably asked and answered on another similar thread, but whatever: if Rupp runs, gets 3rd, and later decides he doesn't want to race it in Rio, what happens? does #4 then go?

i doubt anyone would ever do that and then decide not to go, but i guess im not sure how the rules with scratching works.

rojo wrote:

Precious Roy wrote:

Rupp gets worse when the race gets shorter and is a much better runner when the race gets longer. He is a rhythm runner. It will probably only take 2:10 to be in the top 3 at the trails. Rupp probably has a 2:06 in him in good conditions on a fast course. He will just sit on the lead pack and let everyone fall away until he is in the top 3. Then it will just be an issue of whether he wants the win or will just cruise it in to avoid risking injury.

I think if Rupp runs he's top 3. That being said, with all of the 180 degree turns, that course is far from a rhythm runner's course.

Desi and the Hanson's are training specifically for the turns.

http://www.letsrun.com/news/2016/01/less-month-la-2016-kevin-hanson-desi-linden-talk-marathon-trials-bobby-curtis-galen-rupp/

I recall watching Rupp run either western regional championships a Stanford in 2008. I think it was his first or second race of the season (back from Olympics?) and he absolutely destroyed everyone. That course was pretty much all turns and undulations. A very solid crew of guys who are solid at 10K and/or marathon now look like they were in a JV race against Rupp.

Results:

Results - Men

1 Rupp, Galen Oregon 27:41.24 1

2 Kiptoo-Biwott, Shadrack Oregon 28:32.31 2

3 Kipchumba, Alfred Portland 28:36.02 3

4 Kinsella, David Portland 28:43.88 4

5 Derrick, Chris Stanford 28:44.31 5

6 Puskedra, Luke Oregon 28:45.48 6

7 Ghebray, Yosef California 28:53.67 7

8 Mineau, Jeremy Washington 29:06.29 8

9 Gonia, Daniel Cal Poly 29:12.39 9

10 Heath, Garrett Stanford 29:14.44 10

Sure, this doesn't guarantee Rupp can run a great marathon, but it does show that over a long distance Rupp has handled turns and a non flat course in a different league than some very strong runners. Rupps "rhythm" is not running and straight, flat road or tread mill, but more a relatively even pace like this cross country race, or his half marathon efforts or his indoor 3:50 and 3000's and 5000's and both of his 10K ARs as opposed to rapid changes in pace.

Money Matters wrote:

If Rupp runs OT (and possibly Olympics) do you think that would hurt his earning potential for a world major marathon appearance fee?

Would Chicago, etc pony up more money for his "debut" than for his 2nd/3rd marathon, even if he were a medalist?

NO. For the billionth time, races do not offer bonuses simply because it's your "debut." Learn to read.

If he were a medalist his potential appearance fee would be through the roof.

the Salazar Difference wrote:

the Rupp difference wrote:

...but Rupp isn't like everyone else. He's coached by one of the most successful American marathoners ever and has basically all of Nikes resources at his disposal....

As have other Salazar marathoners. No super marathoners has Salazar ever produced.

None of his previous runners who moved up to the marathon had world class talent other than Ritz and Mo if you count him.

+1. If anything, lots of turns can help a rhythm runner like Rupp because it is very difficult to start or maintain a surge in pace going around a u-turn or going through the segment by the coliseum with lots of 90 degree turns. And if Rupp is running the trials, Salazar will have him running mile repeats at 4:30 with a U-turn every 1/4 mi.

I find it fascinating that people bring up Mo as a reason that Galen will not debut well. Sure, Mo didn't go out and break the world record, but he ran 2:08. Galen has shown every indication that, compared to Mo, he gets better as the distance goes up (don't bother with the 13.1 comparison, Mo ran his with elite competition, Galen tempo'd his with absolutely no one around).

Just for fun, assume that puts Galen at 2:08 shape. If he gets to the starting line like that, it is over, not even close, he 100% makes the team and 99.9% wins. This whole "debut" thing is way overblown. Sure, he might not run to his ultimate potential in race #1, but what a lot of people seem to be forgetting here is that he is a 26:44 10k runner. 10k might not be a perfect indicator of 26.2 shape, but given proper marathon training (which I think it's safe to say he has), no one in the US will be able to touch him.

Sammy Wanjiru is the only American marathoner who could even hold a candle to Rupp and Wanjiru stopped running marathons. So, yeah, Rupp should run and yeah, he will place in the Top 3. Listen to your heart. Search your feeling. Don't you know somewhere down inside that Rupp will run the Olympic trail marathons? Rupp is a go getter and go getters go get. Don't Kidd yourself. Make no misteak, Rupp is training write now as we speak and he has only two goal on his mind: make the Olympic.

If he were a medalist his potential appearance fee would be through the roof.

the Rupp difference wrote:

the Salazar Difference wrote:

As have other Salazar marathoners. No super marathoners has Salazar ever produced.

None of his previous runners who moved up to the marathon had world class talent other than Ritz and Mo if you count him.

Ever heard of Mo Farah? 2:08 and not even 3rd place.

bradley strider wrote:

If he were a medalist his potential appearance fee would be through the roof.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/7d/31/c2/7d31c29424743b2d9eaa09ba7bbc9006.jpg

Is that Rupp on the "marathon" metal podium?

demethedream wrote:

, Alberto talks about his groups running several workouts on the track. In particular he said he had to "reign in" Galen because he was running too fast,

Galen is a king or something?

rojo wrote:

I think if Rupp runs he's top 3. That being said, with all of the 180 degree turns, that course is far from a rhythm runner's course.

Desi and the Hanson's are training specifically for the turns.

http://www.letsrun.com/news/2016/01/less-month-la-2016-kevin-hanson-desi-linden-talk-marathon-trials-bobby-curtis-galen-rupp/

Good for the Hansons (no apostrophe). If Rupp is running, I bet that Alberto didn't even take the turns into consideration. That would be classic Alberto: overlooking the details. Oh, wait...

royalty? wrote:

demethedream wrote:

, Alberto talks about his groups running several workouts on the track. In particular he said he had to "reign in" Galen because he was running too fast,

Galen is a king or something?

King of running too fast. The testers are watching, so Rupp can't run at his full supplemented potential. The fire alarms will ring at WADA.

If Rupp runs, and he should, he will run comfortably with the lead pack and destroy everybody over the final 5k. He's so much better than any other U.S. distance runner, love or hate him.

DC Wonk wrote:

My bet at this point is that Rupp will run the OT.

Agree. And I think he will double 10k/marathon in Rio — good points here

In my opinion, at this point 5k is out of reach for him. But he can still go for big glory doubling 10k/marathon. Or just a marathon depends how easy/hard experience he is going to have during trials next month.