Is Rupp running Olympic marathon or not?

Seems like he should wait until after the trials to decide if he's running the Olympic marathon.

ryan foreman wrote:

They can tell the public what they plan to do.

Why?

It's a little presumptuous to assume he will be top three at trials if he actually decides to compete in Ca next month.

drunk runner. wrote:

ryan foreman wrote:

They can tell the public what they plan to do.

Why?

This...

a little early wrote:

Seems like he should wait until after the trials to decide if he's running the Olympic marathon.

Better yet, he should wait until after the trials to decide if he will run the Olympic trials.

How could you not be used to Salazar-Rupp waiting until the last second to pull a DNS? It is par for their course. Fanboys should be used to showing up to watch Rupp, and being left at the alter.

Better yet, he should wait until after the trials to decide if he will run the Olympic trials.[/quote]

^ wow, do they get any dumber than this!??? Smh

And this has to do with poker... how?

Salazar is a good poker player. With this marathon OT ploy, he gets in the heads of some competitors from competitor's camps. This is similar to bluffing in poker.He also knows when to fold (when he thinks an athlete will test positive, he holds them out of competiton or tells them not to answer their door).

ryan foreman wrote:

And this has to do with poker... how?

Horse hockey.Whoever shows up that day shows up. Rupp being there or not won't change the race plans or training plans of Dathan, Meb, Ryan or anyone else. 26.2 miles is not 13.1...easy math fellas. Anyone who thinks Rupp will show up and place in the top 3 knows nothing about running. Rupp has not ventured into a race at that distance before, so don't count your cards just yet.Rupp could run, be there with 5k to go and tie up badly the last mile....he's never run 26.2.Those same people think that Mo can't run a marathon because his first race didn't go as planned. Translation: Rupp may run and win or be 6th place, there are no sure things but strangely, a lot of you seem to think that if he runs then there will only be 2 spots left. Wow! Wow, the stupidity on this board seems rampant to the nth degree.

Bring Back the 880 wrote:

Salazar is a good poker player. With this marathon OT ploy, he gets in the heads of some competitors from competitor's camps. This is similar to bluffing in poker.

He also knows when to fold (when he thinks an athlete will test positive, he holds them out of competiton or tells them not to answer their door).

ryan foreman wrote:

And this has to do with poker... how?

Current Elite (yes, really!) wrote:

26.2 miles is not 13.1...easy math fellas. Anyone who thinks Rupp will show up and place in the top 3 knows nothing about running. Rupp has not ventured into a race at that distance before, so don't count your cards just yet.

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I know a lot about running and I think Rupp will place in the top 3 if he shows up. Mostly because Rupp never shows up to a race unprepared or injured. Also because the competition is mostly guys in the sunset of their career and younger guys who have never broken 2:10, which has become a major barrier for US runners for some reason.

Rupp is not like Mo. Mo gets better when the race gets shorter. He may actually be a 1500 m runner in a 5k/10k runner's body. Rupp gets worse when the race gets shorter and is a much better runner when the race gets longer. He is a rhythm runner. It will probably only take 2:10 to be in the top 3 at the trails. Rupp probably has a 2:06 in him in good conditions on a fast course. He will just sit on the lead pack and let everyone fall away until he is in the top 3. Then it will just be an issue of whether he wants the win or will just cruise it in to avoid risking injury.

Precious Roy wrote:

Rupp gets worse when the race gets shorter and is a much better runner when the race gets longer.

This is false. Rupp ran 3:50 for an indoor mile. That is just as good as his 10k time if not better. It's certainly better than his half marathon time. Both Farah and Rupp are best at the 1500/mile. They do the 5k/10k because the medals are easier.

I do not have the energy to find it, but last night in reading the NOP release about Centro, Hasay, and Shannon running the Portland Indoor meet, Alberto talks about his groups running several workouts on the track. In particular he said he had to "reign in" Galen because he was running too fast, to which Galen attributed the overall fast nature of this new track. Galen said it was easy to run fast on.

If Galen were to run the marathon trials in less than a month, do you really think he would be running fast intervals on an indoor track? To me this clearly means he is gearing up for an indoor campaign and intends to run indoor Worlds.

That being said, a friend wondered if he were doing tempo effort stuff specific to the marathon, or mots of mile repeats indoors. If the weather were nasty, maybe he does take 6-8x mile inside. The "running too fast" could certainly be in reference to that type of effort. Back in 2012 he did a 6xmile with 10x200 workout indoors for Flotrack so it is not unheard of.

Not sure how this adds anything to the Trials rumor mill, but I don't think Galen runs it. If he does, he has only done a few longer runs and maybe extra tempos and hopes on race day his overall fitness takes him to a spot on the team.

People keep talking about how Rupp isn't going to be do well if he runs since he's never raced a marathon and comparing him to previous American elites who moved to the marathon and it didn't work out, but Rupp isn't like everyone else. He's coached by one of the most successful American marathoners ever and has basically all of Nikes resources at his disposal. Salazar ran his debut marathon in 2:09:41 enroute to winning NYC and there's no reason to believe he can't coach Rupp to a similar time....which would likely win the Trials. A lot of the marathon "what ifs" simply don't apply to Rupp the way they do to most others.

the Rupp difference wrote:

...but Rupp isn't like everyone else. He's coached by one of the most successful American marathoners ever and has basically all of Nikes resources at his disposal....

As have other Salazar marathoners. No super marathoners has Salazar ever produced.

Precious Roy wrote:

Rupp gets worse when the race gets shorter and is a much better runner when the race gets longer. He is a rhythm runner. It will probably only take 2:10 to be in the top 3 at the trails. Rupp probably has a 2:06 in him in good conditions on a fast course. He will just sit on the lead pack and let everyone fall away until he is in the top 3. Then it will just be an issue of whether he wants the win or will just cruise it in to avoid risking injury.

I think if Rupp runs he's top 3. That being said, with all of the 180 degree turns, that course is far from a rhythm runner's course.

Desi and the Hanson's are training specifically for the turns.

demethedream wrote:

If Galen were to run the marathon trials in less than a month, do you really think he would be running fast intervals on an indoor track? To me this clearly means he is gearing up for an indoor campaign and intends to run indoor Worlds.

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I wouldn't expect that but you pointed out later how he might be doing mile repeats or something.

A source I trust told me he thought Rupp would run the Trials and World indoors.

On our podcast, Derrick said he'd heard from sources both that Rupp was and wasn't doing the Trials. My prediction - they'll keep us waiting until the very end.

Remember in 2012, Rupp pulled this same type of stuff. Only withdrawing at the very end. 4 years later, he still hasnt' run a marathon.

My bet at this point is that Rupp will run the OT.

However, I think people are not seeing the big picture in this scenario. There is no way Rupp and Salazar are considering the OT marathon unless they think that 1) he makes the team and 2) he has a legitimate shot at a medal in Rio. Why take the training and racing risk to then go to Rio and finish in the middle of the pack?? The purpose of the Olympics is to medal, and that's the ONLY reason Rupp would consider the marathon now.

Obviously the OT will determine what happens. The exciting question is how well will Rupp do, and how much effort will it take? If Rupp makes the marathon team without a huge effort, I would bet he's "all-in" for Rio. If Rupp struggles at OT marathon, Rupp will focus on the 10k and his finishing speed.

This is a strong point. Why not go for it and see how he responds and if he even makes it. the only way to know how 26.2 will go would be to run one. The trials may be a decent first marathon tactically.

If Rupp suffers, doesn't make it, or drops, he can rest on knowing he is 100% committed to the 10k. If he has a Ryan Hall 2008 type experience then maybe he gives it a go at Rio.

More an more it seems a no brainer to run the trials on 10k fitness with some long runs and tempos. Reading the interview with Chris Derrick made it all the more appealing for him to at least start the Trials.