Mark Cuban funds a study ($800,000) to change the way sports thinks about HGH

hgh for ligament recovery good but wont be match fit.

as an ped useless in most nd only extra aid if used wit hormones.

TennesseeMatt wrote:

From the article I read this morning on ESPN, my take away is that the researchers are examining whether or not HGH prevents muscle atrophy around the knee after ACL injuries.

The hypothesis being that supervised HGH use will prevent/slow muscle atrophy and allow a player to return to full strength after recovering from the injury.

I'm pretty sure they're not advocating for widespread use of HGH.

Everyone saw HGH and went crazy. They are looking to see if it could be used as a treatment to help recover for serious injury. He isn't advocating that it be used as a PED.

Having used both DHEA and the Real McCoy this is a no-brainer. I always thought the real advantage that Lance and US Postal had was their mastery of the recovery drugs.

Also that's the reason why Floyd didn't win the stage where LA told him to "run like you stole something." (Because he had to be glowing as brightly that day as when he was off the front for 100 miles in the subsequent TDF that was taken away from him.)

Among Mr. Cuban's other bright ideas is identifying fraudulent scam companies and shorting them before he tells anyone else about it.

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Fggvfgvfgvf wrote:

The problem however, is that with HGH, maybe people will now be going 200 miles/week instead of 160 miles/week and no matter what, people will always bring their body to the brink...

Another issue is that HGH might only address one mechanism of fatigue--muscular and connective tissue damage--while fatigue actually might occur via other mechanisms as well (eg. central nervous system fatigue).

It is possible that removing one limiting factor could bring another more serious limiting factor into play. Early studies will probably focus only on effects of HGH on muscular and connective tissue recovery. More research will be necessary on other kinds of fatigue.

Say what, Mark? wrote:

Cuban believes HGH could be legal to aid in muscle recovery to avoid serious injury. He has donated $800k to the University of Michigan to complete a first study to prove his idea is correct.

Cuban is essentially supports overuse training as a means to become a super athlete.

espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/14288703/michigan-study-funded-dallas-mavericks-mark-cuban-lead-rethinking-hgh

So American. I'm going to throw x amount of money at something to change the way you think.

So American. I'm going to throw x amount of money at something to change the way you think.

I think this is a good idea. Due to the social stigma of HGH use as a performance enhancer, it's kinda been put into the grey area of medicine. My hunch is that professional athletes have been using HGH to recover from injuries for a long time, and it will be good for the general public to gain access to such treatment.

If the use of HGH can potentially aid recovery from surgery and/or eliminate the need for surgery in the first place, why shouldn't it be explored as a treatment option?

letsbang wrote:

My hunch is that professional athletes have been using HGH to recover from injuries for a long time, and it will be good for the general public to gain access to such treatment.

There already is medical access to synthetic HGH. It's as easy as going to an anti-aging clinic if you really want it.

This just posted on buzzfeed, the reason why NOPers have thyroid conditions can easily be attributed to synthetic HGH use. Thyroid shuts down because the HGH is coming from somewhere. Use synthetic HGH long enough and .... trouble.

HGH is already legally available. Its indicated for those patients who lack the hormone impacting the ability to grow. (simplified). The last people who may need this are NBA players.

It has a whole list of precautions, and there is a risk benefit associated for these patients who have failed to thrive. A week's less healing time may seem great in pro sports, but it dosesn't mitigate the risk to the patient, and only provides a benefit to the business.

What he seems to be saying is that Peds should be legal, if found useful in athletes.

Steroids are in the same place.

Cuban has spent too much time talking to Stallone. Keep HGH for teeny people and old people.

mlcollll wrote:

HGH is already legally available. Its indicated for those patients who lack the hormone impacting the ability to grow. (simplified). The last people who may need this are NBA players.

It has a whole list of precautions, and there is a risk benefit associated for these patients who have failed to thrive. A week's less healing time may seem great in pro sports, but it dosesn't mitigate the risk to the patient, and only provides a benefit to the business.

What he seems to be saying is that Peds should be legal, if found useful in athletes.

Steroids are in the same place.

Cuban has spent too much time talking to Stallone. Keep HGH for teeny people and old people.

They are not talking about recovering a week quicker. They are talking about people who after recovery are still 20% weaker in the knee and are wondering if they can help solve that.

Obviously this whole thing is a messy area. HGH and steroids get frowned on. But how many people take antiflamatories? Without knowing the risks and benefits it is impossible to say if this is a good idea. We know long term hormone treatments tend to cause problems. Short term usuage is a lot more up in the air. It isn't the type of thing that gets studied a lot.

They are not talking about recovering a week quicker. They are talking about people who after recovery are still 20% weaker in the knee and are wondering if they can help solve that.

Obviously this whole thing is a messy area. HGH and steroids get frowned on. But how many people take antiflamatories? Without knowing the risks and benefits it is impossible to say if this is a good idea. We know long term hormone treatments tend to cause problems. Short term usuage is a lot more up in the air. It isn't the type of thing that gets studied a lot.

Yeah, sure it can be used as a PED, but I think this study is going to look at what you are talking about above. Perhaps specific injections into the injured site, similar to what is done with PRP. I can't really see how two weeks-1mo of site injections would cause any significant change in athletic performance. HGH is not like EPO or Synthetic Testosterone.

I do think that using HGH to potentially help in the healing of injuries is something that the medical community should explore, not just for athletes, but for the general population as well.

please, what drug will stop ya doing knee in.

great heals better but hgh has sides

for some bad insulin resist, canttake

A bunch of Mexicans.

aduck2022 wrote:

please, what drug will stop ya doing knee in.

great heals better but hgh has sides

for some bad insulin resist, canttake

It's a hormone, not a drug. Only has sides like insulin resistance after long term use/high doses, which could be a problem for athletes using it for performance reasons, but not so much for those using short term treatment to aid in the recovery of injury. Sure it's not going to stop you from screwing up your knee, but it might aid in recovery after the fact.