Who is currently the best NBA player, LeBron or Curry.

When I said much better stats that was wrong and that was me just getting carried when I was posting, but better I stand by. Maybe the game was more physical but the current players are bigger and faster. Jordan would not have as many cupcakes guarding him if he played today. Curry with his assists with the need for teams to double team him for 3 point shots, plus his personality makes each player a better player. More so than Jordan. Jordan played when refs gave him every call too.Efficiency is really the most important stat. Curry is way superior here.

Conundrum wrote:

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(1) Maybe the game was more physical but the current players are bigger and faster. Jordan would not have as many cupcakes guarding him if he played today.

(2) Curry with his assists with the need for teams to double team him for 3 point shots, plus his personality makes each player a better player. More so than Jordan.

(3) Jordan played when refs gave him every call too.

(4) (Its hard to get rebounds when more of your shots are going in)

(1) BS

(2) Super BS

(3) Pure BS

(4) The VAST majority of rebounds are not off of your own shots. So your comment on this one is silly and irrelevant

(5) You forgot defense: Jordan = among the best ever perimeter defenders, Curry = so-so

;) wrote:

Classic Lebron apologist. So what is your explanation for why the best player ever who surrounds himself with the talent that HE chooses still doesn't win? Is he just a bad GM?

Most big players do this. Some like Jordan and Magic even go as far as getting coaches fired.

It does not mean Lebron is bad for chemistry. Perhaps it means he wants to win.

You can't blame him. In his first 5 years in Cleveland, they never gave him a good supporting cast. And again he had to carry the team on his shoulders. Thats physically and emotionally draining

EFFICIENCY!!!!!! That is the MOST IMPORTANT STAT.Any very good play can Kobe the ball and pad stats.

What the What wrote:

Conundrum wrote:

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(1) Maybe the game was more physical but the current players are bigger and faster. Jordan would not have as many cupcakes guarding him if he played today.

(2) Curry with his assists with the need for teams to double team him for 3 point shots, plus his personality makes each player a better player. More so than Jordan.

(3) Jordan played when refs gave him every call too.

(4) (Its hard to get rebounds when more of your shots are going in)

(1) BS

(2) Super BS

(3) Pure BS

(4) The VAST majority of rebounds are not off of your own shots. So your comment on this one is silly and irrelevant

(5) You forgot defense: Jordan = among the best ever perimeter defenders, Curry = so-so

Efficiency (I assume you're referring to passing) is arguably the most important offensive stat. There is also how good a passer you are, etc.

But you're ignoring the other side of the ball. Jordan was a lock-down defender, often leading the league in steals and getting a lot of blocks for a guard. When you are getting extra possessions due to your defensive play, that has to factor in.

It's not as though Jordan was INefficient. He was an excellent shooter and a very good passer.

As for the Lebron apologist ... Lebron JUST GOT A COACH FIRED. You're making excuses for this Cavaliers team, but LEBRON ASSEMBLED IT. He's a phenomenally talented player, perhaps the most talented of all time. But when he's picking and choosing the team and the coach, the blame for not winning has to come to him.

Conundrum wrote:

EFFICIENCY!!!!!! That is the MOST IMPORTANT STAT.

Any very good play can Kobe the ball and pad stats.

What the What wrote:

(1) BS

(2) Super BS

(3) Pure BS

(4) The VAST majority of rebounds are not off of your own shots. So your comment on this one is silly and irrelevant

(5) You forgot defense: Jordan = among the best ever perimeter defenders, Curry = so-so

You obviously have no understanding of basketball with your mantra about a purely offensive statistic.

Go back to discussing HS girls JV basketball where you belong. You are dismissed.

;) wrote:

Efficiency (I assume you're referring to passing) is arguably the most important offensive stat. There is also how good a passer you are, etc.

But you're ignoring the other side of the ball. Jordan was a lock-down defender, often leading the league in steals and getting a lot of blocks for a guard. When you are getting extra possessions due to your defensive play, that has to factor in.

It's not as though Jordan was INefficient. He was an excellent shooter and a very good passer.

As for the Lebron apologist ... Lebron JUST GOT A COACH FIRED. You're making excuses for this Cavaliers team, but LEBRON ASSEMBLED IT. He's a phenomenally talented player, perhaps the most talented of all time. But when he's picking and choosing the team and the coach, the blame for not winning has to come to him.

Steph lead the league in steals this year

James Harden was in a virtual tie with Kawhi Leonard at 13th and 14th in this statistical category.

cds wrote:

Steph lead the league in steals this year

With a total Jordan eclipsed almost every full season he played.

;) wrote:

As for the Lebron apologist ... Lebron JUST GOT A COACH FIRED. You're making excuses for this Cavaliers team, but LEBRON ASSEMBLED IT. He's a phenomenally talented player, perhaps the most talented of all time. But when he's picking and choosing the team and the coach, the blame for not winning has to come to him.

When did LeBron get a coach fired? Also, many of you are forgetting that defense was harder in Jordan's era. Hand checking, etc.

jvivic wrote:

;) wrote:

As for the Lebron apologist ... Lebron JUST GOT A COACH FIRED. You're making excuses for this Cavaliers team, but LEBRON ASSEMBLED IT. He's a phenomenally talented player, perhaps the most talented of all time. But when he's picking and choosing the team and the coach, the blame for not winning has to come to him.

When did LeBron get a coach fired? Also, many of you are forgetting that defense was harder in Jordan's era. Hand checking, etc.

Jeez, I forget, it's been almost two months.

;) wrote:

cds wrote:

Steph lead the league in steals this year

With a total Jordan eclipsed almost every full season he played.

Also, 'led' (or 'leads' if that was the intention).

;) wrote:

jvivic wrote:

When did LeBron get a coach fired? Also, many of you are forgetting that defense was harder in Jordan's era. Hand checking, etc.

Jeez, I forget, it's been almost two months.

Are you talking about David Blatt? How did LeBron get him fired?

jvivic wrote:

;) wrote:

Jeez, I forget, it's been almost two months.

Are you talking about David Blatt? How did LeBron get him fired?

Maybe you didn't hear about it with your head up LBJ's ass.

;) wrote:

Honest question ... did you watch Jordan play?

I sat in the 5th row and saw Jordan play live many times in the 90s. Yes, he was fierce. Yes, he was a better defender than Curry. But if you want to talk about gut reactions to watching players play, as opposed to just stats, I'm more awed by Curry than I ever was by Jordan. Curry is so dominant that people talk about him having "broken" the game of basketball.

I'm certainly not talking about careers, here. Until this year, nobody would've argued that Curry was on Jordan's level. Curry took longer to reach the top than Jordan did, and it's quite unlikely he'll have enough time to amass some of the career stats. But the relevance of those differences isn't clear to me. Normally when we talk about the greatness of players, the first question we're considering is how good they were at their best. Longevity is usually treated as more of a tie-breaker. But these are, of course, arbitrary rules I made up on the spot.

Curry vs. LeBron, Round 2 about to start.

This should be good again.

This year, LeBron can't blame losing on missing players.