Obamacare strikes again

I am a small business owner with about 100 employees. Under Obamacare, we had to change plans and our premiums have skyrocketed over 45% with far less benefits. Obamacare is a disaster, yet these idiots shoved it down our throats and lied the entire way.

Hadd 2 Giggle wrote:

[quote]joedirt wrote:

You may want to consider taking advantage of that mental health coverage.

Great reply dude. After all only mentally ill person would object to paying $1000 a month for stuff he doesn't need or want. Obama rules!

People don't fully appreciate how much debt his presidency has incurred (and continues to incur). It is astronomical. To pay for subsidies and expansion of Medicaid under Obamacare, the average person who actually pays federal income tax (which is only about half the people that files a return) pays out an average of about $3000 a year for this.

jjjjjj wrote:

unlikely. the horror stories never check out.

Heh. Try reading the newspaper. There's no shortage of people who feel like they're being forced to pay for insurance that they can't afford to use due to exorbitant deductibles.

Don't ever present facts when arguing with Democrats on Obamacare, they don't care. To them, Obamacare is the greatest invention ever. More facts for those who actually pay taxes and pay for their own health coverage:

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/rising-rates-pose-challenge-to-health-law-2015-11-19-11103855

So, have you offered a solution? All I see is complaining.

repeal it

that was easy wrote:

repeal it

What we had before was no better - and far worse from a coverage standpoint. Covering more people - all people - should be the goal. No leaving people without insurance because of their economic standing. Healthcare is a right, not a privilege.

More good news on the Obamacare front. Looks like more insurance providers are pulling out or going belly up. Looks like Obamacare is going to create monopolies. Pretty soon you will only be able to get coverage at the Community Health Center.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/obamacare-bailouts-prove-that-the-law-is-flawed-and-lousy-2015-12-02?siteid=bigcharts&dist=bigcharts

I am on my wife's healthcare and it didn't change.

Where I work, the premiums have gone slightly down for most.

Just wanted to give more perspective.

Just gotta call you out. You have admitted on another thread that you are a teacher. You have no skin in this game. Please, tell us what your monthly contribution is. You can't get out of your own way.

joedirt wrote:

People don't fully appreciate how much debt his presidency has incurred (and continues to incur). It is astronomical. To pay for subsidies and expansion of Medicaid under Obamacare, the average person who actually pays federal income tax (which is only about half the people that files a return) pays out an average of about $3000 a year for this.

And with this post we're know you're just another lying sack of sh[\i]it conservative. You're either a fu[\i]cking idiot that doesn't know how to look or budget, or you're so blinded by moronic ideology you can't admit the truth.

Cancel your insurance if it's that troubling to you, and I hope your fellow ideologues make it possible for you to never have to get insurance again. When that happens, I look forward to you and everyone that thinks like you getting kicking to the curb when you get your fatal deceases, and treated like the worthless dregs of society that you are. People like you do not deserve to be an American.

Anyone that believes that the ACA is causing health care inflation (as opposed to the CEO of some insurance company wanting a higher profit margin) is mentally deranged. Anyone that's not dumb as a stump (or a conservative, but I repeat myself) knows that actuarial tables account for the fact that there are services (like pregnancy care) that not all use.

So all your conservatives whining, so ahead, get sick and die. I honestly look forward to it. You're all a waste of flesh anyway, and you'll feel better contributing to society by not being here. You'll be true to your principals, and hopefully your spouses and offspring will follow suit and we can all have a Darwin award party in your posthumous honor.

ACA will be gone by the next president regardless of party. Everyone realizes what a terrible idea it is. Numbers are numbers.

Obamacare is severely flawed, but there is no way to go away from it entirely, as eliminating it now that everyone (presumably) is on a compliant plan (some are still on gradfathered plans, but those are set to expire in the near future as well, which may be why L L hasn't seen a dramatic increase in his rates) would be more impactful than when a lot of us lost the plans we were on originally (imagine that you had insurance the whole time, got sick, got kicked off the plan you were on because of the passage of Obamacare, and now have a preexisting condition, so that if Obamacare is repealed, you will find yourselves unable to get insurance, even though you did everything right). The truth is the federal government had no business getting into the health care arena in the first place. They did at the advice of the insurance lobbyists, who wrote the damn law and are quickly monopolizing the marketplace. The law is causing massive consolidation in both insurance providers as well as in treatment providers and is as bad, if not worse than most of us feared.

joedirt wrote:

Obamacare is severely flawed,...

Ummm, it is actually RomneyCare; invented by a Republican.

janedirt wrote:

joedirt wrote:

Obamacare is severely flawed,...

Ummm, it is actually RomneyCare; invented by a Republican.

Does that really matter? Unless you really want to focus more on the usual Democrats vs. Republicans and who is right/wrong rather than the actual problem at hand.

Oh? wrote:

Does that really matter? Unless you really want to focus more on the usual Democrats vs. Republicans and who is right/wrong rather than the actual problem at hand.

The actual problem at hand is that money to pay for health care was previously coming out of other government pockets. There is no free lunch by eliminating the the ACA.

You on the other hand make it a political issue by crying that you have to pay more money for health care. The ACA has a simple solution for you. Don't pay for coverage at all. Pay when you need care. Really simple. Overall you'll spend less money, well, as long as you don't get really sick or have an major accident.

Living without insurance is a bad idea. The whole point of health insurance (as with any insurance) is to protect your assets. Unfortunately you can't foresee an accident. I don't feel health insurance is a universal right (other than for children and those in our society who are unable to care for themselves, who have always been covered under Medicaid anyhow) any more than I feel car insurance, renters insurance or life insurance are a universal right, they are just a sound business decision.

There was a story a while back about a woman at one of these mud runs who was trying to do as you suggested, got a MRSA infection on her eyeball rolling around in the mud and had to go through a crazy number of procedures costing hundreds of thousands of dollars. Most likely she had to declare bankruptcy and may have lost her vision. So, even if you are young and healthy, you still need insurance to cover the what ifs (although you probably don't need all of the coverage Obamacare is going to force you to pay for).

You forgot to whine about the fire department you "plan to never use" and the roads you'll never drive on.