The 2:10 barrier in the 1000m is UNBREAKABLE

Yes, Kiprop is 3 seconds faster than Coe over 1500, no reason he can't be 2 seconds faster over 1000.

Serious record attempts in the near future will depend on who did or didn't bribe Diack. But that's ok, we want a CLEAN sub-2:10.

Disappointing - I thought Vent would be all over this by now. I guessing he will say that Kiprop could run in the 2:09.5 to .7 range.

No sure who is going to rabbit to 800m in 1:43 point!

JR

Bad Wigins wrote:

Yes, Kiprop is 3 seconds faster than Coe over 1500, no reason he can't be 2 seconds faster over 1000.

Serious record attempts in the near future will depend on who did or didn't bribe Diack. But that's ok, we want a CLEAN sub-2:10.

I thought you said Kiprop's 3:26 high in Monaco was helped by an abnormally fast track. He hasn't broken 3:29 on any other track has he?

Not sure if any of the current crop of top 1500 guys have run sub 3:29 other than Monaco.

Coe ran his 3:29 thirty years ago when past his best. There is no way that All things being equal - track, pacing, competition - that Kiprop is 3 secs better than a peak Coe. And he's nowhere near as good over 800.

1000 is much closer to 800. I'd say Coe could have run a 2:11 flat in ideal race and there is no way Kiprop is capable of sub 2:10.

Why everyone looks to Ventolin for his opinion is beyond me. His nonsense will spoil the conversation and the thread will turn into a slanging match.

* of the top ten are from the last century

1 2:11.96 Noah Ngeny KEN 02.11.78 1 Rieti 05.09.1999

2 2:12.18 Sebastian Coe GBR 29.09.56 1 Oslo 11.07.1981

3 2:12.66 Noah Ngeny KEN 02.11.78 1 Nice 17.07.1999

4 2:12.88 Steve Cram GBR 14.10.60 1 Gateshead 09.08.1985

5 2:13.08 Taoufik Makhloufi ALG 29.04.88 1 Tomblaine 01.07.2015

6 2:13.40 Sebastian Coe GBR 29.09.56 1 Oslo 01.07.1980

7 2:13.56 Kenneth Kimwetich KEN 01.01.73 2 Nice 17.07.1999

8 2:13.62 Abubaker Kaki Khamis SUD 21.06.89 1 Eugene 03.07.2010

9 2:13.73 Noureddine Morceli ALG 28.02.70 1 Villeneuve d'Ascq 02.07.1993

10 2:13.9 Rick Wohlhuter USA 23.12.48 1 Oslo 30.07.1974 MEB WAS BORN IN 1975

Diabalo wrote:

I thought you said Kiprop's 3:26 high in Monaco was helped by an abnormally fast track. He hasn't broken 3:29 on any other track has he? Not sure if any of the current crop of top 1500 guys have run sub 3:29 other than Monaco.

No, nobody has. Only 3 have even run sub 3:30 since 2010.

But there's no reason they can't chase a fast 1000 at Monaco, on which track the current WR was not set. Then we can all argue about whether it's legit which will add to the hype and legend.

I think this post just proves that the 1500 is the most useless and nonsensical event. Why not 1600? Or better yet, the mile?

dkny64 wrote:

+ 1. And then there's my favorite never run distance - the 4000m aka the 10 lapper. 10 laps in 10 minutes - almost certainly doable but has never actually been done.

Obviously not possible.

SCIENCE! wrote:

2012 Rudisha probably could have done it. I could see a big hyped up attempt coming close with some big names in the mix. Maybe Amos, Kiprop, a handful of others come to mind.

Kiprop would have a better chance at this than even 2012 Rudisha.

Rockgip wrote:

1500 is the most useless and nonsensical event. Why not 1600? Or better yet, the mile?

Because nobody outside of the US cares about your stupid illogical made-up mile and other measurements.

Bad Wigins wrote:

Now, I don't really believe that. But at least a few people probably do, which is more than ever believed the 4 minute mile was impossible until after the mythology was written.

So, I challenge all the world's top MD runners. The sub 4 mile was a foregone conclusion long before it happened, so the hype and glory was a lie. Set things to rights by chasing a barrier that maybe, just maybe IS impossible! Even if the record is soft, knock off two seconds and you will be legend forever.

And if you succeed, maybe the kilometer will get the respect it deserves. Really nice distance. Thousand meters. Power of ten. Standard unit for road races.

GOAT distance runner Augustine Coge easily is capable of running sub 2:09.

dkny64 wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

It's too far away to look forward to.

Instead why not switch the distance to 50km and shoot for 2:30? Kipchoge is already there. He can run a 2:05 and just keep going, slow down a bit and he still makes it.

That could be a whole new distance thing, how many sub 30 10k's can you do in a row. Lots of nice round numbers.

+ 1. And then there's my favorite never run distance - the 4000m aka the 10 lapper. 10 laps in 10 minutes - almost certainly doable but has never actually been done.

Seeing as how 8 laps in 8 minutes has only been accomplished by one person, I wouldn't count on 10 laps in 10 minutes being so easy.

(Yes I know that 2 miles does not equal 8 laps, but the point is the same)

No Way wrote:

dkny64 wrote:

+ 1. And then there's my favorite never run distance - the 4000m aka the 10 lapper. 10 laps in 10 minutes - almost certainly doable but has never actually been done.

Seeing as how 8 laps in 8 minutes has only been accomplished by one person, I wouldn't count on 10 laps in 10 minutes being so easy.

(Yes I know that 2 miles does not equal 8 laps, but the point is the same)

Hahaha two miles is 18 meters longer than 8 laps. That is like 3 seconds.

measure it wrote:

No Way wrote:

Seeing as how 8 laps in 8 minutes has only been accomplished by one person, I wouldn't count on 10 laps in 10 minutes being so easy.

(Yes I know that 2 miles does not equal 8 laps, but the point is the same)

Hahaha two miles is 18 meters longer than 8 laps. That is like 3 seconds.

Yeah, so Geb probably covered 8 laps in 8 minutes.

No Way wrote:

dkny64 wrote:

+ 1. And then there's my favorite never run distance - the 4000m aka the 10 lapper. 10 laps in 10 minutes - almost certainly doable but has never actually been done.

Seeing as how 8 laps in 8 minutes has only been accomplished by one person, I wouldn't count on 10 laps in 10 minutes being so easy.

(Yes I know that 2 miles does not equal 8 laps, but the point is the same)

Well, he ran it twice, and if we include his 7:20, three times. Seems to me 10 X 10mins is possible. Bekele's 12.5 lap 5000m wr is pretty darn close to 60 sec laps.

Typical runner or sockpuppet wrote:Another argument against the 1000 is that the 800 is *somewhat* in that uncomfortable grey area between sprints and middle distances. The 1000 is pretty solidly a middle distance event

i don't think there is anything wrong at all with 800 if it is run correctly :

- route-1, tight in lane-1 behind pacer to bell

- proper pacing with 0.5s slowing splits / 200 from 0 - 800

- limpet drafting from ~ 150 - 400

the run that blows away 800 "uncomfortable" is this :

souly's effort in monaco where he ran ~ 8.5m extra on bends !!! with little drafting & some give-up at end when knowing beat

to get a solid idea of his 800 ability that day, included is fractional clock mis-alignment with official results, just stop the clock at the point his torso crosses mile start to get idea of what his "perfect" 800 was :

No Way wrote:

dkny64 wrote:

+ 1. And then there's my favorite never run distance - the 4000m aka the 10 lapper. 10 laps in 10 minutes - almost certainly doable but has never actually been done.

Seeing as how 8 laps in 8 minutes has only been accomplished by one person, I wouldn't count on 10 laps in 10 minutes being so easy.

(Yes I know that 2 miles does not equal 8 laps, but the point is the same)

I'm not saying it would be easy, I'm saying I'm pretty sure it's doable, as in there have been people who were probably capable of it when at their best - Daniel Komen almost for sure, probably Geb and K Bekele, maybe El G. With the right incentives a few years ago, I think Mo would have had a shot and maybe even Rupp. At the moment I'm not sure there's anyone who can do it, but you could really tilt the balance of distance running if you put a bunch of the money currently in the marathon into something like a big prize for 10 laps in 10 minutes.

ScottEvil wrote:so, what would the splits on this be? I think Ventolin has posted on this but I can't remember what he said. 2:10 comes to 26 per 100. So like, 51.5/52/26.xx?

for a 1k, you probably need ~ 0.25 / 0.33s slowing 200s with limpet pacing 150 - 600 as "standard"

this is simple fidgety algebra, but, i'll use 0.25s for ease of demonstration :

25.35

25.60 = 50.95

26.10 = 1'17.05

26.35 = 1'43.40

27.60 = 2'10.00

Pacing wrote:The record of Noah Ngeny was 49.66 - 1:44:62 - 2:11:96

With 200 - 600 in 52.20 .

So probably the ideal pacing would be around

25 - 25.5 - 26 - 26.5 - 27

50.5 - 1:16:5 - 1:43 - 2:10

So last 200 in under 27.00 Would give you the record.

bumped for comparison

noah;s record was ludicrous

not only did he come in with very tired legs with a 3'29.1 win from just 44 hours earlier, he ran an outrageous ~ 6m extra wide on 1st bend !!!

just that ~ 6m extra cost him from 131.96 * ( 1000 / 1006 )

~ 2'11.1 !

the 3'29.1 in his legs wouda probably got him to, if fully rested

~ 2'10 - low/mid !!

the stooopid 1st 400 of 49.8 for noah with ~ 6m extra on bends, meant he opened with utterly suicidal 49.0+ !!! for a 1k !!!, which wouda definitely got him down to, off my suggested 0.25s slowing 200s of

~ 2'09 - low/mid !!!

we already seen another < 2'10 guy, other than Ryun...

Typical runner or sockpuppet wrote:the 800 is *somewhat* in that uncomfortable grey area between sprints and middle distances. The 1000 is pretty solidly a middle distance event

Not if you run a sub 2:10! Then you have to run a fast 800 in that uncomfortable grey area and keep going. Realistically you have to start in 1:43.

Can't be done, I say! Now somebody go do it.