Top academics, average runner. Colleges?

Hopkins.

Great engineering. Very good D3 team.

maybe one of the Ivies with terrible running programs - brown or penn? she could probably run at one of those. although hard to say because you won't give us any prs.

cornell

The team has improved since I graduated, but when I was there, there was no strict cutting policy. For perspective, I was recruited by the coaches after running only one year (senior) of XC. Placed 11th at the state meet; qualified and ran at states in track the prior spring. My XC performances were more impressive, but I don't remember my times and they're kind of irrelevant anyway, but I ran 11:15 for 3200. That is relatively slow, I know, but I was a strong enough runner to score for the team. I think the coaches recognized that. I was one of the slower girls recruited my year, and we had some walk-ons who were eventually cut in subsequent seasons because our team was just getting too big. Many incoming star freshman runners failed to perform as expected and I think the coaches are looking for depth for the team and are amenable to giving middle of the pack runners a chance to prove themselves.

1580 or 1590 on the old school SAT (where 1600 was a "perfect" score) and a half dozen AP courses. Solid engineering programs and access to a ton of other good majors and programs, research and faculty. Beautiful place to run. Just invest in a lot of clothes for winter.

NB: ivies do not officially give sports scholarships (at least was the case at Cornell, not sure if it's changed), but if they want you badly enough, the coaches can direct you to certain majors to which you should apply for a better chance at admission with partial academic scholarships.

0/10

there are no academic scholarships in the ivy league. zippo.

Midwest KId wrote:

Rose Hulman is the top engineering school in the country, has a phenomenal coaching staff, is a competitive conference in the HCAC for a girl of her caliber, and a very high job placement rate after college with companies like Lilly, Cummins, etc. She shouldn't commit to any schools she hasn't visited, and taken in the atmosphere though. WUSTL is also a great school. Neither school is very cheap, but if she is that academically gifted, she would probably be in the running for a very good academic scholarship at either place.

Never heard of this school.

The top 4 engineering programs have already been named on this thread multiple times.

then how did I get $$ through AAP for my tuition?

I certainly did not pay for the whole damn thing myself!

boomKat wrote:

then how did I get $$ through AAP for my tuition?

I certainly did not pay for the whole damn thing myself!

need based financial aid

Even though the disbursement was called a scholarship? And came AFTER my financial aid package? Huh.

rose who? wrote:

Midwest KId wrote:

Rose Hulman is the top engineering school in the country, has a phenomenal coaching staff, is a competitive conference in the HCAC for a girl of her caliber, and a very high job placement rate after college with companies like Lilly, Cummins, etc. She shouldn't commit to any schools she hasn't visited, and taken in the atmosphere though. WUSTL is also a great school. Neither school is very cheap, but if she is that academically gifted, she would probably be in the running for a very good academic scholarship at either place.

Never heard of this school.

The top 4 engineering programs have already been named on this thread multiple times.

Hey there Mr. Know it All (great song by the way), those in know tend to know:

According to US News and World Report Rankings

Best Undergraduate Engineering Programs Rankings

(where doctorate not offered)

#1 Tie

Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology

Harvey Mudd College

#3 Tie

Franklin W. Olin College of Engineering

United States Military Academy

boomKat wrote:

Even though the disbursement was called a scholarship? And came AFTER my financial aid package? Huh.

well that's what Cornell sez:

Grants and Scholarships

There are a number of grants and scholarships available to Cornell undergraduate students. Keep in mind that:

No merit aid or athletic scholarships are awarded at Cornell; all grant aid is need-based.

There is no minimum or maximum amount of gift aid that can be awarded.

Outside scholarships replace loan or work components of the aid package, but do not reduce the parent contribution.

A FAFSA financial aid form must be completed to be eligible for federal grants.

Exactly. All of the top 4 engineering schools offer doctorates.

This shouldn't be difficult ... look for the top engineering schools that have d3 teams. From US News and word report:

#1 is MIT

#4 is CalTech

#6 is Carnegie Mellon

#20 is RPI

If you want to limit it to schools without doctoral programs (and to be honest, I recommend not missing out on the research opportunities at a major university provides), you can add

Harvey Mudd

Rose-Hulman

gdm wrote:

Exactly. All of the top 4 engineering schools offer doctorates.

Yes. As fine as those other schools are academically, Engineering programs are enhanced *greatly* by the presence of doctoral-level research, because labs and equipment are expensive. You can only learn so much from books in engineering.

My son goes to Purdue (ranked #9, tied with Cornell) for Aeronautical Engineering. They have an airport and a Mach 6 wind tunnel where he can participate in research as an undergrad. I went to RPI for my PhD. I always had undergrads helping me with my research, as did most of the grad students I knew.

Stevie Wonder wrote:

rose who? wrote:

Never heard of this school.

The top 4 engineering programs have already been named on this thread multiple times.

Hey there Mr. Know it All (great song by the way), those in know tend to know:

According to US News and World Report Rankings

Best Undergraduate Engineering Programs Rankings

(where doctorate not offered)

#1 Tie

Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology

Harvey Mudd College

#3 Tie

Franklin W. Olin College of Engineering

United States Military Academy

Sorry I didn't realize you needed the caveat that graduate and research programs were not offered when you said Rose Whatever is THE top engineering program in the country.

So u guess is it better than MIT... who knew?

boomKat wrote:Even though the disbursement was called a scholarship? And came AFTER my financial aid package? Huh.

Yes. It's all need-based, but part of your award is from specific scholarships and they ask you to write a letter to the scholarship donor. They determine how much you're getting first, then later as the disbursements are made you see the specific scholarship parts of it.

You're both right. You did get an academic scholarship, but it was part of your overall need-based aid package.

well..... wrote:

gdm wrote:

Exactly. All of the top 4 engineering schools offer doctorates.

Yes. As fine as those other schools are academically, Engineering programs are enhanced *greatly* by the presence of doctoral-level research, because labs and equipment are expensive. You can only learn so much from books in engineering.

My son goes to Purdue (ranked #9, tied with Cornell) for Aeronautical Engineering. They have an airport and a Mach 6 wind tunnel where he can participate in research as an undergrad. I went to RPI for my PhD. I always had undergrads helping me with my research, as did most of the grad students I knew.

maybe someone on this thread can chip in:

so my son really wants to go to Dartmouth. He wants to major in either engines, biology, or the combo of them.

he has the numbers to get in...

I know Dartmouth isn't the greatest engines school, but it does have a graduate school attached, and they talk up pretty strongly the benefit of a top notch liberal arts education combined with engineering. He just loves the place, everything about it. But he could get into Cornell or another actual top engineering school.

What think you engineering people generally about the 'liberal arts plus engineering' theory generally and Dartmouth specifically?

You should consider Lehigh University. Its part of the Patriot League, which is probably the best place in D1 to find "student-athletes".

Its a top tier Engineering School with a solid family oriented Track & Field Program. It is a strong academic school without the pressure and intensity of an Ivy League School.

parenting q wrote: He just loves the place, everything about it.

There's your answer.

My son faced almost the exact same decision. He absolutely loved one Ivy but saw that Cornell was a better engineering school by most measures.

He chose the other school and is so glad he did. He ended up getting excited about another area of engineering that was available at his school and not Cornell.

I don't know that much about Dartmouth's program, but it's an Ivy, it has engineering, and I wouldn't let a higher ranking trump "loves the place".

parenting q wrote:

What think you engineering people generally about the 'liberal arts plus engineering' theory generally and Dartmouth specifically?

If you want to learn a few critical thinking skills while focusing on the liberal arts, this is an OK approach.

If you want to excel technically at the highest level your gifts allow, this is not the way to go. Unfortunately in engineering, as in life, total focus and commitment will generally trump half-measures in terms of results.

My coworkers' most common alma maters are:

Caltech

Stanford

MIT

These three schools probably account for ~40% of our people, with the others coming entirely from large research universities like Cornell, Purdue, USC, Michigan, etc.

I've never worked with anybody who went to a 3-2 program, though I have known many people outside of work who have done that. They generally are doing fine, but have either left engineering (most of them) or are less successful in the field.

I've never come across anybody who went to Rose Hulman or any other 'undergraduate only' engineering school. I'm sure you can learn the material well there, but their graduates don't seem to be showing up on my radar. Maybe that is a recruiting issue.