Worlds are a complete joke - I'm done with T&F

The real McCoy wrote:

So long as someone runs a 43.4x 400

So I guess Merritt's 43.65 disappointed you? Lol. I know what you meant, but I would have written 43.x, not 43.4x.

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Totally different point, unrelated to above:

Has the tanking of American distance runners (and some other American athletes, too) at these World Championships made you view them as clean or more clean?

Charlie in the Box wrote:

Totally different point, unrelated to above:

Has the tanking of American distance runners (and some other American athletes, too) at these World Championships made you view them as clean or more clean?

Tanking? Shot put gold (men) and bronze (W). 100m silver and 2 bronze. 400 Merritt silver. 400mH = 3 medals. Women's 10k = 3, 4, 5th. Men's Steeple= 5, 6. Couburn = 5 (?) Rupp = 5... Top 5 in the world! Tanking? But, yes overall the US results have been off projections (i.e. jumpers). Sprint hurdles will net a few. Eaton still to come. The rest of the world is just catching up.

H.Marsher wrote:

Where were you guys when Kevin young ran 46.78 for 400h...el g ran 3.43 for a mile...geb/bekele ran sub 13 for the back half of a 10k...komen dropped a 7.20...johnson ran 43.18...c'mon, why all the sudden surprise?! It has been here AWHILE.

Where were you when all these LetsRun trolls started implying that every WR or fantastic performance had to be assisted by PED's?

c'mon, why all the sudden surprise?! It has been here AWHILE.

The real McCoy wrote:

I watch WCs with the understanding that there is rampant doping. I also don't care in the least. I just want to watch people go fast, whether they're on coke, EPO, HGH, Marijuana, Diet Pepsi, or are all natural. I don't really care. So long as someone runs a 43.4x 400, a 1:41.x 800, a 3:26.x 1500, etc, I honestly couldn't care what they're on.

^^^This. I want to see ppl run fast. I want to see 70 HR's again.

Coach Cookie wrote:

Everyday there's a race that it's just a complete joke. The level of doping is so blatant that it's just sad to watch. Mo, Dibaba, the 400 today... joke, joke, joke...

I'm seriously done with T&F... it's just too much... it's much worse than pro cycling... just effing ridiculous...

The Americans aren´t winning everything, so of course all the others must be on drugs.

reader of the forums wrote:

How many times do we have to go through this lie? No, it's not a level playing field.

1) Not everyone is doping.

This is the nail in the coffin for your claim but I'll expand further:

2) Not everyone who is doping has access to the same drugs and / or methods.

3) There is not a universal physiological response to any particular drug. Some are high responders to a drug while others are not.

Definitely true. And equally important,

4) Even when dopers do have the same access to drugs and/or methods, dopers in some countries can dope to a greater extent (more drugs, higher doses, longer duration, etc.) without worrying as much about detection, since anti-doping in those countries is still significantly less effective and less efficient than in many others for various reasons that may include but aren't limited to: A lack of resources/technology for testing, Less importance placed on legitimate detection, Geographical/transportation barriers and other barriers that make it harder for testers to complete legitimate random unannounced tests (with no advance warning), etc, etc.

If there's not much of risk of a truly random unannounced test where the athlete is training, there's not much of a deterrent to full scale doping.

You can't even compare the level of testing that athletes with Salazar have in relation to athletes with Jama Aden.

For Aden's athletes it's a free for all, and that's where Dibaba, Makhloufi, Mo Farah, etc are coming from.

Sure, Salazar is dirty, but he's operating under the strictest anti-doping in the world. And guess what, his dirtiest athlete can't compete with the guy that just goes around the world getting the drugs from the best cheaters in the World. Mo goes to Salazar and gets his stuff, goes to Aden, gets his stuff, goes to Font Romeu and gets the stuff from Paula's doctors.

ALL AN EFFING JOKE!!!

Coach Cookie wrote:

Everyday there's a race that it's just a complete joke. The level of doping is so blatant that it's just sad to watch. Mo, Dibaba, the 400 today... joke, joke, joke...

I'm seriously done with T&F... it's just too much... it's much worse than pro cycling... just effing ridiculous...

yes it's way worse than cycling.

everyone on the tour was doped to the gills, while in track there are some clean guys out there.

the farce is that the providers of information, the media and such, are never in the loop and propagate myth.

The women's 1500 is the Elephant in the room and it's a monster! Concentrate all your energy there and you will find what's at the bottom of the rabbit hole.....but it won' be pretty.

Inagreement11 wrote:

The real McCoy wrote:

I watch WCs with the understanding that there is rampant doping. I also don't care in the least. I just want to watch people go fast, whether they're on coke, EPO, HGH, Marijuana, Diet Pepsi, or are all natural. I don't really care. So long as someone runs a 43.4x 400, a 1:41.x 800, a 3:26.x 1500, etc, I honestly couldn't care what they're on.

^^^This. I want to see ppl run fast. I want to see 70 HR's again.

You want to turn a sport that is great because literally anyone can do it, and turn it into an event where to get to the top you need to have the best drugs and doctors behind you? You want parents to be put in a position where they might think, actually I don't want my child to go into athletics, you've no chance of getting to the top unless you take drugs and I don't like the health risks that come with that?

Coach Cookie wrote:

Everyday there's a race that it's just a complete joke. The level of doping is so blatant that it's just sad to watch. Mo, Dibaba, the 400 today... joke, joke, joke...

I'm seriously done with T&F... it's just too much... it's much worse than pro cycling... just effing ridiculous...

A few questions. Where are all of these drugs being made? Who is making all these drugs? Who is supplying the athletes with these drugs? Who is facilitating the massive coverup which makes it possible for all of this cheating you speak of to take place?

high expectations wrote:

Tanking? Shot put gold (men) and bronze (W). 100m silver and 2 bronze. 400 Merritt silver. 400mH = 3 medals. Women's 10k = 3, 4, 5th. Men's Steeple= 5, 6. Couburn = 5 (?) Rupp = 5... Top 5 in the world! Tanking? But, yes overall the US results have been off projections (i.e. jumpers). Sprint hurdles will net a few. Eaton still to come. The rest of the world is just catching up.

This is mindset is the problem. The US team never used to be content with silvers & bronzes, never mind top 5 or top 10. It's all about winning and the US team is currently doing a terrible job at that.

What if you were too young when

koch ran those 400m 's to be disgusted

or when el guerrouj ran his there were

no forums to vent ones distain.

Very hard to hide dope nowadays unlike

90's . Was over before knew what happen.

As knowledge base could'nt spread same.

I dont mind if wwe like but not what getting

Getting told constantly that is like this...

clean when in reality not.

so do ya like being lied too again ,again..

been made a fool out of ,

like doped athletes are doing to others.

These dibabababa's are having so much fun winning as when become that dominant in an event ,why wouldnt you.

know likely win and look good doing so.

but all due to a lie ,facade that is dope.

it is not real but pretend that is. Like bolt.

wwe i will never pretend that real......

Coach Cookie wrote:

Everyday there's a race that it's just a complete joke. The level of doping is so blatant that it's just sad to watch. Mo, Dibaba, the 400 today... joke, joke, joke...

I'm seriously done with T&F... it's just too much... it's much worse than pro cycling... just effing ridiculous...

You weren't watching in the eighties. That was a joke. It's much better now. Sure there are some criminals here in Beijing getting away with thievery, but give it enough time and they'll get theirs.

Your 3rd grade spelling teache wrote:

reader of the forums wrote:

How many times do we have to go through this lie? No, it's not a level playing field.

1) Not everyone is doping.

LOL.

I assume you're trolling.

Even if everyone competing in the World Championships are doping, it still would not be a level playing field.

Of course the majority of athletes are not doping but they are not qualifying to worlds because of the few that are.

Dibaba might be more talented, but she might just be on something better. Or respond better.

Athletics is full of super responders who get more enhancement out of PEDs everyone uses.

For many posters here it seems inconceivable that anyone successful isn't a doper.

Consistently great - doper

Inconsistently great - doper

WR holder - doper

Not fast enough to trouble WRs, but still winning - doper

Bad performance this meeting - doper (doping went wrong)

No failed tests - doper (they're too clever)

Failed tests - doper (but if I like them I excuse it)

Normal blood test results - doper (microdosing / clever administration

Abnormal blood test results - doper (despite absence of failed tests)

From a specific country with history of doping - doper

From a specific country with no history of doping - doper

From a specific ethnicity - doper

My favourite athlete - not a doper

My favoured coaching set up - not a doper

You really have been missed... Please comeback

Mr. Mellotron wrote:

I've tossed the World Champs in the same festering garbage pile as TdF and WWE. Done, done, and done.

H.Marsher wrote:

Where were you guys when Kevin young ran 46.78 for 400h...el g ran 3.43 for a mile...geb/bekele ran sub 13 for the back half of a 10k...komen dropped a 7.20...johnson ran 43.18...c'mon, why all the sudden surprise?! It has been here AWHILE.

There have been several high quality investigative reports in the past few months that have raised awareness and presented more rigorous evidence of widespread doping.

Why are YOU surprised by the sudden lack of interest in the sport?