ERIC JENKINS TO NOP!!

rojo wrote:

aduck wrote:

thoughts?! posted on his instagram today

https://instagram.com/p/6xvqebG2R7/?taken-by=_ericjenkins

Is this news? I was 100% confident this was what he was going to do He's an UOregon guy like Rupp and Salazar, but there was no other explanation for him not saying what group he was joining at the beginning of the summer unless it was the NOP.

He didn't want to say the NOP due to the doping controversy.. Let the doping controversy stuff die down, make sure no one is actually charged and then announce you are running with the NOP . That was my prediction a long time ago and now it's true.

Hooray for Robert. Everybody clap for Robert.

This guy has it right wrote:

booooo EJ wrote:

Very disappointed to see Eric do this. After all the allegations have come out about that group and he still goes there?? He is just like Rowbury, they want to win at all costs even if that means CHEATING and DOPING.

There is no other reason to join that group beyond that after the pub they have received over the last months. Eric just lost a fan

Second this.

You NOP haters are funny. There is no reason not to join them after the investigation turned up nothing.

Eric just gained a superfan.

Another Catholic?

kjgkuyg wrote:

rojo wrote:

Is this news? I was 100% confident this was what he was going to do He's an UOregon guy like Rupp and Salazar, but there was no other explanation for him not saying what group he was joining at the beginning of the summer unless it was the NOP.

He didn't want to say the NOP due to the doping controversy.. Let the doping controversy stuff die down, make sure no one is actually charged and then announce you are running with the NOP . That was my prediction a long time ago and now it's true.

Yes, Robert, it's news.

Just because an anonymous poster here posted it before you it doesn't mean it's not news.

kjgkuyg wrote:

rojo wrote:

Is this news? I was 100% confident this was what he was going to do He's an UOregon guy like Rupp and Salazar, but there was no other explanation for him not saying what group he was joining at the beginning of the summer unless it was the NOP.

He didn't want to say the NOP due to the doping controversy.. Let the doping controversy stuff die down, make sure no one is actually charged and then announce you are running with the NOP . That was my prediction a long time ago and now it's true.

Yes, Robert, it's news.

Just because an anonymous poster here posted it before you it doesn't mean it's not news.

Sorry. Rojo's right. It maybe "technically news" but it's hardly noteworthy or interesting. Kinda a yawn.

Now if he went to Brooks. That'd be news.

NOP4EVA wrote:

This guy has it right wrote:

Second this.

You NOP haters are funny. There is no reason not to join them after the investigation turned up nothing.

Eric just gained a superfan.

It didn't turn up nothing.

It turned up that there is documented evidence that Rupp took testosterone as a teenager and that Salazar tested how much androgel he can rub on someone without testing positive. It also turned up that NIKE lab doctors were encouraging athletes to take PEDs.

Congrats to Eric. He just joined an amazing team. I wish him nothing but the best!

fact checker wrote:

It didn't turn up nothing.

It turned up that there is documented evidence that Rupp took testosterone as a teenager and that Salazar tested how much androgel he can rub on someone without testing positive. It also turned up that NIKE lab doctors were encouraging athletes to take PEDs.

No evidence on Rupp taking testosterone as a teenager besides some notes taken by a deceased MD, Salazar rubbing androgel on his son is a stretch to say he was "testing" the limits of testing, Nike lab doctors "encouraging". How do you compare these "facts" with, say, the ARD investigation?

The truth is that the NOP allegations and leaps of faith pale in comparison to the ARD investigation. That's why it is dying down. That's not to say that maybe there is some actual proof but right now all the NOP haters have nothing.

I think there is a much more clear cut case against the Kenyans (I'm still not sure how Ethiopia is staying out of the limelight given that there is probably no testing there either) than a single NOP athlete given the mountains of circumstantial evidence against them but you won't find the piling on by the LRC crowd for some unknown reason. In fact, you'll find Rojo pointing out that they cheat less than the rest of the world combined.

The point is that NOP may very well have been pushing grey areas and even down right doping but grey areas are not against the law or the spirit of the sport and there is no evidence of doping. Just a whole lot of hearsay.

Before everyone blows a fuse, I will state for the record that, I wouldn't be surprised if there was more than grey areas being pushed because it is a slippery slope.

But, again, if you think NOP is the only one pushing grey areas or crossing the line then you're crazy or myopic or an Oiselle athlete.

NOP4EVA wrote:

This guy has it right wrote:

Second this.

You NOP haters are funny. There is no reason not to join them after the investigation turned up nothing.

Eric just gained a superfan.

+1. I like the fact that Jenkins went to the best coach and didn't care about the PR implications. Shows guts and a desire to win. Good for him.

Putting my business hat on, I gotta believe that Nike gave him serious $. I know I would. I'd want to prove that the doping allegations are not going prevent NOP from achieving it's mission--developing world class american distance talent.

Bowerman has too many guys, especially 5k guys

I thought maybe OTC and he keeps training under his college coach, but no

I wasn't surprised at all by NOP and it seems like a good fit for him, Salazar will develop him well

Btw: does this mean Salazar is not getting a coaching ban?

Why would Eric commit now to NOP if he knew Salazar was going to get a ban, if he did, he probably wouldn't have joined the group in the first place

Not to say Salazar didn't do anything, but to be honest they really didn't have any proof, so I'm sure that's why they probably didn't give him a ban

Yes, he's a gray area coach, but there's a gray area for a reason, not illegal, but pushing the limits and I think almost every US distance running coach is doing that as well, so why single Salazar?

He won't get in trouble, he'll have speculation following him for the rest of his life, but he won't get in trouble

NOP Skeptic wrote:

Btw: does this mean Salazar is not getting a coaching ban?

Why would Eric commit now to NOP if he knew Salazar was going to get a ban, if he did, he probably wouldn't have joined the group in the first place

Not to say Salazar didn't do anything, but to be honest they really didn't have any proof, so I'm sure that's why they probably didn't give him a ban

Yes, he's a gray area coach, but there's a gray area for a reason, not illegal, but pushing the limits and I think almost every US distance running coach is doing that as well, so why single Salazar?

He won't get in trouble, he'll have speculation following him for the rest of his life, but he won't get in trouble

The NOP is currently under investigation by USADA.

fact checker wrote:

NOP Skeptic wrote:

Btw: does this mean Salazar is not getting a coaching ban?

Why would Eric commit now to NOP if he knew Salazar was going to get a ban, if he did, he probably wouldn't have joined the group in the first place

Not to say Salazar didn't do anything, but to be honest they really didn't have any proof, so I'm sure that's why they probably didn't give him a ban

Yes, he's a gray area coach, but there's a gray area for a reason, not illegal, but pushing the limits and I think almost every US distance running coach is doing that as well, so why single Salazar?

He won't get in trouble, he'll have speculation following him for the rest of his life, but he won't get in trouble

The NOP is currently under investigation by USADA.

The fact that Jenkins is joining NOP is one of the most powerful arguments that NOP is not doping its athletes. Any athlete who joins a program that dopes is tainted by the radioactivity of it. Even if they don't dope themselves, they go down with the ship. Salazar certainly was tainted by the Athletic West allegations. So Jenkins would never have joined NOP if he weren't entirely certain that nothing untoward were going on. He, more than anyone else in the world not in NOP before today, knows the most about what goes on in NOP, and has spoken the most to Salazar. He thinks the program is clean, and it's the best out there, so he joined.

And don't tell me Jenkins was doping already. The kid smoked pot in college pretty frequently, right? Not that there's anything wrong with that, but potheads generally aren't also using PEDs.

But... wrote:

The fact that Jenkins is joining NOP is one of the most powerful arguments that NOP is not doping its athletes.

No it isn't, nor is it an argument.

But... wrote:

So Jenkins would never have joined NOP if he weren't entirely certain that nothing untoward were going on.

It's not possible for him to be certain that drug use hasn't gone on.

But... wrote:

He, more than anyone else in the world not in NOP before today, knows the most about what goes on in NOP, and has spoken the most to Salazar.

Except for the former NOP members who have gone to USADA and were interviewed as part of a documentary and ProPublica piece about doping in the NOP.

This is pretty specious reasoning. Do you think they tell every prospective team member their deep dark secrets. You think UNC told every potential basketball recruit that they would be taking fake courses? Most of the athletes in the group are probably in the dark about most of what is going on.

fact checker wrote:

But... wrote:

He, more than anyone else in the world not in NOP before today, knows the most about what goes on in NOP, and has spoken the most to Salazar.

Except for the former NOP members who have gone to USADA and were interviewed as part of a documentary and ProPublica piece about doping in the NOP.

He said "more than anyone else in the world not in NOP before today."

do you read? wrote:

fact checker wrote:

Except for the former NOP members who have gone to USADA and were interviewed as part of a documentary and ProPublica piece about doping in the NOP.

He said "more than anyone else in the world not in NOP before today."

And I said former NOP members have gone to USADA about doping, i.e., kind of destroying his argument.

The reasoning isn't perfect, but the logic is pretty ironclad. About 5000 people follow professional distance running closely, and about 4000 of them hate NOP. Right now, Jenkins is a relatively popular, All-American handsome precocious white guy. Maybe 3 out of those 5000 hate him. Even if what Salazar does in the inner sanctum (a hilarious notion--if Salazar would dope one or two athletes, why not 10? Why is Centro considered dopeable and Dorian Ulrey not?) is kept in the dark, Jenkins would make damn sure that the program was legit and clean. And that means no doubts, not just no proof. Jenkins is losing potential fans by joining this team, and certainly losing approval, both of which matter as much as the 30,000 dollars he would have had to forgo at Schumacher or 40,000 at OTC. He's not going to join unless he knows nothing's wrong.

He doesn't know nothing it wrong.

What about that aren't you getting?