Dr. Jeffrey Brown's online patient reviews -- poor diagnosis and sexual harrassment

I'm not refuting she felt violated or uncomfortable. Only stating that my wife also complained about having sore breasts after her examination. People are also trying to link him squeezing breasts with a thyroid examination and I think it's just ridiculous and narrow minded. A doctors job at times requires them to do what would normally be inappropriate from a stranger in public, but if it's purpose is to diagnose than it needs to be done.

I am a regular and I have posted on many threads under different names that go against Salazar and have never once defended Brown in any of those posts, because what he does with an athletic group vs general public could be completely different. However, we had success with him and I think he is getting the bad end of the deal in this thread being portrayed as some monster or mad scientist. We thought he was a great doctor and it ends there. If other people see him and have a different opinion that is fine, but we would recommend him to anyone having issues.

2nd options are best. wrote:

My wife was having infertility issues and saw Dr. Brown a few years back. She complained about her breast being sore afterwards because he was squeezing them so hard. She had a ton of blood work done that ultimately showed high Prolactin levels and 6 months later my wife is pregnant with our first girl.

http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/prolactin-15129

This many posts, and still no wisecracking that Dr. Brown was the guy that knocked up this dude's wife?

Also, how does squeezing her breasts "hard" make him a better doctor?

Finally, $3000 for a diagnosis that is so difficult that it's pretty much spelled out on WebMD? How incompetent(/impotent) were these other "fertility" doctors that they were seeing?

seriously, nobody? wrote:

2nd options are best. wrote:

My wife was having infertility issues and saw Dr. Brown a few years back. She complained about her breast being sore afterwards because he was squeezing them so hard. She had a ton of blood work done that ultimately showed high Prolactin levels and 6 months later my wife is pregnant with our first girl.

http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/prolactin-15129

This many posts, and still no wisecracking that Dr. Brown was the guy that knocked up this dude's wife?

Also, how does squeezing her breasts "hard" make him a better doctor?

Finally, $3000 for a diagnosis that is so difficult that it's pretty much spelled out on WebMD? How incompetent(/impotent) were these other "fertility" doctors that they were seeing?

I said that in order to be a better doctor they must squeeze women's breasts? I said if someone goes into Dr. Browns office with amenorrhea or infertility she better expect to have her breasts examined.

Yes, if only we would have saved our $3,000 dollars and did a self diagnosis off of WebMD we could have had children years ago. Why do we have doctors any more?! We should have came to Letsrun and posted her symptoms and she could have been diagnosed immediately and probably even received an accurate 5k prediction time to go with it for FREE.

I will add that thorough breast exams are not comfortable. My wife saw an OB before we got pregnant and had an exam that almost had her in tears.

So that makes sense. But if you read the reviews, you'll see that one complaint noted uncomfortable breast touching unrelated to her exam. Makes you scratch your head.

Anyway, for the purpose of the Salazar debate, this is neither here nor there. The most troubling them about ordinary patients' responses was 1) the notes that he overdiagnoses thyroid conditions -- quoting a disgruntled staff nurse! and 2) that he pressures patients into tests and payment schemes for those tests that could be avoided and are sometimes unwanted by patients.

The latter is common among doctors trying to make money. My dentist lost some patients because she refused to file preauthorizations for certain things because she got paid less when insurance gets involved. This happens all the time in medicine. Doctors don't want insurance to be used because they get paid more. This has NOTHING to do with supply and demand.

It involves supply/demand when people are still willing to pay for it and wait months to get an appointment. If it' about money making and he charges more than other doctors and people are calling to set up appointments any way what do you call that? The demand is there so the price stays high. If he had an empty office I bet his prices would be lower, but that isn't the case.

Dr Brown = dope doctor

He specializes in elite endurance athletes and he and his clientele are fraudulent dope masters. His list of elite track athletes is huge (far beyond just Nike) and extremely disappointing. He is boosting their red blood cell count, testosterone and hormones with drugs.

2nd options are best. wrote:

It involves supply/demand when people are still willing to pay for it and wait months to get an appointment. If it' about money making and he charges more than other doctors and people are calling to set up appointments any way what do you call that? The demand is there so the price stays high. If he had an empty office I bet his prices would be lower, but that isn't the case.

I don't disagree, but it is still unethical in my opinion to refuse to work with patients to get identical tests done only to pad your bottom line. This does financial harm to patients for no medical gain. Kind of violates the spirit of the hippocratic oath.

Dr. Brown can say he's too busy to work with other providers. That's usually BS. Or that other providers quality isn't as high. That's sometimes true but usually BS.

Practices like this are one reason the private health care industry in this country is F'd up.

It's even worse when people feel compelled to put up with the BS because they trust the doctor.

skeptic here wrote:

Forgive me, but I'm having a real hard time believing a regular LetsRunner just happened to see this one doctor, and Dr. Brown just happened to solve his wife's infertility issues in such a way as to also refute someone else's harassment claim.

At least this time it wasn't another personal attack on the first post. When anyone dare question, then the personal attack is used to simulate a denial.

Hmm. So, let's see what the Internets say.

reproductive endocrinologists are trained to also evaluate and treat hormonal dysfunctions in females and males outside of infertility. Reproductive endocrinologists have specialty training in obstetrics and gynecology (ob-gyn) before they undergo sub-specialty training (fellowship) in REI.

He lists himself as interested in the field.

I don't know what doctors can and can't do, but, apparently it's a thing. Is it Dr. Brown's sub-specialty? Apparently not. Does it matter? I don't know.

Is the post real? The USATF Internet Community Coordinators to date have not even bothered to assemble a few really basic facts. This would be a very new very sophisticated NOP-bot. I'm inclined to believe it is real.

We saw other doctors that accepted our insurance where we only had to pay a copay for an appointment. However after a couple doctors appointments that didn't create results, we looked elsewhere and the price premium was worth it.

Charging a premium for a service that your clients consider valuable is in no way unethical. You are truly grabbing at straws here looking for a way to make him look like a bad doctor. I'd say focus on his work with professional athletes since that is what the story is about. Him charging prices that his customers are willing to pay isn't much of an issue.

Yes, people with endocrinological disorders often need their breasts examined. Reading hack reviews on those MD review sites is as bad as taking advice from these random message board posters. Until a person puts their signature behind their name I wouldn't take many of those reviews seriously.

"This dr. insists on billing for all lab work which combined with office visit is $2900! Since we are not in network, I asked to have the lab order to take elsewhere and they refused! it's office policy and not to be broken!!"

"He ordered many tests, and I had to pay $1,500 out of my own pocket for the tests my insurance didn't cover."

This sounds like every other doctor in the United States of We F$%k Our Sick and Elderly.

Neutral Observertard wrote:

"This dr. insists on billing for all lab work which combined with office visit is $2900! Since we are not in network, I asked to have the lab order to take elsewhere and they refused! it's office policy and not to be broken!!"

"He ordered many tests, and I had to pay $1,500 out of my own pocket for the tests my insurance didn't cover."

This sounds like every other doctor in the United States of We F$%k Our Sick and Elderly.

Yes, because when you become a doctor you will provide services for free to everyone!

2nd options are best. wrote:

Neutral Observertard wrote:

This sounds like every other doctor in the United States of We F$%k Our Sick and Elderly.

Yes, because when you become a doctor you will provide services for free to everyone!

When you wrote that did you write it with knowledge that it made no sense?

Hmmmq wrote:

Yes, people with endocrinological disorders often need their breasts examined. Reading hack reviews on those MD review sites is as bad as taking advice from these random message board posters. Until a person puts their signature behind their name I wouldn't take many of those reviews seriously.

0/10

Your opinion is worthless. You didn't attach YOUR signature.

Neutral Observertard wrote:

2nd options are best. wrote:

Yes, because when you become a doctor you will provide services for free to everyone!

When you wrote that did you write it with knowledge that it made no sense?

If someone is going to make doctors out to be the scum of the earth "United States of We F$%k Our Sick and Elderly" then they should become doctor and change the world.

2nd options are best. wrote:

If someone is going to make doctors out to be the scum of the earth "United States of We F$%k Our Sick and Elderly" then they should become doctor and change the world.

Can you seriously not see the difference between (1) charging for your medical diagnosis/treatment and (2) raking in dollars by only allowing tests to be done at specific facilities not covered by patient's insurance so you can get paid more?

It's a money grab, pure and simple.

No one is saying doctors are the scum of the earth. Who said that? A doctor's salary pays the bills in my household. But it's super scummy to make patients pay more for the same thing so DOC can make extra money.

Then those that don't agree with it shouldn't go see Dr. Brown. We knew what we were getting into financially and accepted it just like the rest of his clients. To complain afterwards is just pathetic.

2nd options are best. wrote:

Then those that don't agree with it shouldn't go see Dr. Brown. We knew what we were getting into financially and accepted it just like the rest of his clients. To complain afterwards is just pathetic.

Dr. Brown is a critical part of Salazar's defense. See Exhibit 21 of the manifesto. The email exchange Brown refers to is something Salazar (Freud Communications) conveniently omitted as an Exhibit.

2nd options are best. wrote:

Neutral Observertard wrote:

When you wrote that did you write it with knowledge that it made no sense?

If someone is going to make doctors out to be the scum of the earth "United States of We F$%k Our Sick and Elderly" then they should become doctor and change the world.

Do you have an aversion to making rational arguments?