How old is he? wrote:
I believe Jim Ryun ran a few pro meet in HS back in the 60s. In the 80s when I was in HS, the best kids flew to meets too. How old is Merber?
I don't know, but he's still in high school.
How old is he? wrote:
I believe Jim Ryun ran a few pro meet in HS back in the 60s. In the 80s when I was in HS, the best kids flew to meets too. How old is Merber?
I don't know, but he's still in high school.
Budget Bustin Billy wrote:
Of course Jim Ryun didn't run against pros...there basically were no "pros" in those days. He did run against top "amateurs" (same as today's pros), so he and Maton and Fisher pretty much ran against the same kind of athletes.
Ok this is misleading. Quick question who is the only Sub 4 against in a high school only meet. Jim Ryun.
Cdgjhnvjbn wrote:
Budget Bustin Billy wrote:Of course Jim Ryun didn't run against pros...there basically were no "pros" in those days. He did run against top "amateurs" (same as today's pros), so he and Maton and Fisher pretty much ran against the same kind of athletes.
Ok this is misleading. Quick question who is the only Sub 4 against in a high school only meet. Jim Ryun.
Verzbicas did as well I believe, though they did have a (high school) pacemaker
What is unprecedented is to do race after race after race against collegians and pros. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it is not comparable to the once or twice a year races against higher competition that some hs runners used to have. First, there were the Golden West style meets, expanded since to indoors and others outside, and Pre for one athlete some years, and now there are many others, and it is the fact that Fisher has been racing at this level all season. I find nothing wrong with that.
Incidentally, I just attended my nephew's AAU basketball tournament. He played a team from the midwest. This tournament had three intersecting leagues in it, sponsored by Nike, Adidas, and Under Armour, the previous night this year's #1 prospect had played, on the same court after my nephew's game was the #10 prospect, a 7'0" guy from Sudan, Thon Maker (considering Kentucky and Kansas, among others still, playing for the Canada Elite All-Stars, who could zip up and down the floor and was blocking all kinds of shots while being constantly roughed up by the Charlotte AAU team
http://247sports.com/Player/Thon-Maker-20987
and I saw pass by Manute Bol's son, Bol Bol, who is now taller than the 6'10" listed in this article
and was playing a couple courts down. Each player from all the teams at the tournament (4 games going simultaneously over the weekend) had a duffle bag full of new gear and shoes, very expensive stuff. So, if some of this is going on in track, it pales by comparison to basketball.
Hmmmm. I didn't know the Adidas Invite was a high school only MEET.
Flo'da boy wrote:
Cdgjhnvjbn wrote:Ok this is misleading. Quick question who is the only Sub 4 against in a high school only meet. Jim Ryun.
Verzbicas did as well I believe, though they did have a (high school) pacemaker
It's funny because Merber did the same thing so he has no leg to stand on.
KyleMerber wrote:
Hahahah hardly a shot, I'd probably call it 'a joke' because as noted by Dan Huling's response, I ran in the Reebok Boston Indoor Games (and Nike Nationals). There are definitely more opportunities for HS kids to run in pro meets now as shoe companies have recognized the incredible reach and branding in what would be considered a relatively low cost form of marketing. Not against it in anyway.
The worst track you've ever run on is better than the best tracks that real "back in the day" runners ran on, especially indoors. Back in the day is leather training shoes that bloodied your toes until they were broken in....wait a minute, they never broke in. .so your toes were always bloody. Back in the day is a garbage bag for rain gear, and technical running gear was the Georgia Tech T-shirt you found. Your GPS was your car. Back in the day shoe companies didn't have "reach and branding", they sold fvcking sneakers.
No, you don't have a clue what "back in the day" is, and you never will, son.
No offense to Merber, but what was his high school PR? 4:11, from what I can find? That's not exactly at the same level of these other guys...
No offense to Merber, but what was his high school PR? 4:11, from what I can find? That's not exactly at the same level of these other guys... 4:11 would never have gotten you into much more than dual meets. Webb was running pro meets long before Merber was on the scene.
It's totally true, but I wince when people air their thoughts on twitter.Be the better person and just mind your own business and worry about your own career.99.99999% of the time a person who whines on twitter is just jealous.(Steve Magness comes off like an idiot a lot of the time)
anacondarunner wrote:
http://twitter.com/TheRealMerb/status/603597566995988480Dude has a point ...
Wow that was kind of condescending
Flo'da boy wrote:
Cdgjhnvjbn wrote:Ok this is misleading. Quick question who is the only Sub 4 against in a high school only meet. Jim Ryun.
Verzbicas did as well I believe, though they did have a (high school) pacemaker
Was Webb's indoor sub-4 all HS?
malmo wrote:
KyleMerber wrote:Hahahah hardly a shot, I'd probably call it 'a joke' because as noted by Dan Huling's response, I ran in the Reebok Boston Indoor Games (and Nike Nationals). There are definitely more opportunities for HS kids to run in pro meets now as shoe companies have recognized the incredible reach and branding in what would be considered a relatively low cost form of marketing. Not against it in anyway.
The worst track you've ever run on is better than the best tracks that real "back in the day" runners ran on, especially indoors. Back in the day is leather training shoes that bloodied your toes until they were broken in....wait a minute, they never broke in. .so your toes were always bloody. Back in the day is a garbage bag for rain gear, and technical running gear was the Georgia Tech T-shirt you found. Your GPS was your car. Back in the day shoe companies didn't have "reach and branding", they sold fvcking sneakers.
No, you don't have a clue what "back in the day" is, and you never will, son.
well, that escalated quickly
Yes, Merber ran 4:11 in high school and he ran 3:35 in college at a Swarthmore meet where he was paced by Nick Willis. Still, an incredible time that our current hs runners will probably not hit for years, if at all.
Jkifyyuv wrote:
Wow that was kind of condescending
You're built too low, son. The oratory flew right over your head. I was going to say at 25 you have no right to talk about "back in the day" you can't even wipe your ass without Waze. But then some smart-ass would remind me, "malmo, Waze is so 2014. We have Wype now."
jjjjjj wrote:
Yes, Merber ran 4:11 in high school and he ran 3:35 in college at a Swarthmore meet where he was paced by Nick Willis. Still, an incredible time that our current hs runners will probably not hit for years, if at all.
One hit wonder?
malmo wrote:
KyleMerber wrote:Hahahah hardly a shot, I'd probably call it 'a joke' because as noted by Dan Huling's response, I ran in the Reebok Boston Indoor Games (and Nike Nationals). There are definitely more opportunities for HS kids to run in pro meets now as shoe companies have recognized the incredible reach and branding in what would be considered a relatively low cost form of marketing. Not against it in anyway.
The worst track you've ever run on is better than the best tracks that real "back in the day" runners ran on, especially indoors. Back in the day is leather training shoes that bloodied your toes until they were broken in....wait a minute, they never broke in. .so your toes were always bloody. Back in the day is a garbage bag for rain gear, and technical running gear was the Georgia Tech T-shirt you found. Your GPS was your car. Back in the day shoe companies didn't have "reach and branding", they sold fvcking sneakers.
No, you don't have a clue what "back in the day" is, and you never will, son.
Malmo you have no idea.
When I ran track, we had run 58 miles over broken glass with the union firing shots over out heads and the fires burning in the distance. Our tracks were made out of the fingernails of dead children, killed by the northern aggressors. When you fell, you would get small fingernails stuck in you and they had you bleeding and infected. BUT we kept on going.
We ran in boots made of thorns and singlets of metal scraps. When you talk about "leather shoes" being so hard, it makes me angry. Our wooden shoes had our shoes bloodied and broken, our rain gear was made out of freshly slaughetered seal intestine. Our Tracks were 100000000000x better than yours.
You know nothing Malmo, and you never will.
No, you don't have a clue what "back in the day" is, and you never will, grandson
TJR25 wrote:
Fisher would have broken 4 if he didn't fall off of the track during indoor nationals. And I believe that in indoors they run a full mile, not a 1600. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Part of the requirement is to stay on the track.
malmo wrote:
Jkifyyuv wrote:Wow that was kind of condescending
You're built too low, son. The oratory flew right over your head. I was going to say at 25 you have no right to talk about "back in the day" you can't even wipe your ass without Waze. But then some smart-ass would remind me, "malmo, Waze is so 2014. We have Wype now."
Hah -- great post!!!