Newton has stated he trains them for high school success and that is what he is there to do, and it obviously works at the high school level. I'd just be curious to try and see what it's like post college.
Newton has stated he trains them for high school success and that is what he is there to do, and it obviously works at the high school level. I'd just be curious to try and see what it's like post college.
10,000 miles everyday.
did you do in HS for a meet warm-up?: ?Easy 20 minutes of running, stretching and 10x100 meter strides?
Any mental preparation in HS: ?Mr. Newton gave great motivational talks before meets. It started about a week before and he gradually made us ready for it. The day of the race we all felt very secure and that he had prepared us with the right kind of work.?
Cross training in HS(lifting, sit ups, push ups etc...): plyometrics and general fitnessafter easy workouts
Typical week of HS XC training: (October 01 to October 07 1995)
Sunday: Rest (most of the team went on a 2 hour run)
Monday: 4x1 mile 30 sec. recovery. 4.45/4.43/4.45/4.18. 1x300 m. all out.
Tuesday: 4 sets of 5x200 meters. 60-45-30-15 recovery (decreasing)
29-29-28-28. 1x300 m. all out.
Wednesday: 45 minutes-30 minutes-15 minutes easy run. Drinks in between runs.
Thursday: Race 3 miles cross country
Friday : 12x800 meter.2 min recovery. Average 2.19. Last repeat in 1.55 (?to win a bet with the coach?) 1x300 m. all out
Saturday: Segments 8 min-8-6-6-6-3-3-3-3-2-2-2-2-1. 4.50-5.10 mile pace.
Typical week of HS winter track training: (Leading up to Conference Indoor Meeting)
Sunday: 10x200 m. 2 min 30 recovery-- 27.5 avg.
Monday: 9 miles avg. 5.35/mile
Tuesday: 1x1200,1x800,1x600,1x400 4 min rec. 3.03/2.08/1.40/58
Wednesday: 8x300 4 min rec. 41.5/41.7/41.8/41.6/41.5/41.2/41.1/39.5
Thursday: 10x100,6x200,10x100 32/33 sec
Friday: Conference Meet Indoors 1.53.7 800/4.16.6 mile
Saturday: 45 min fartlek 5.20/5.50/mile
Typical week of HS spring track training:
Sunday: 3 miles in 15.01 (4.59-5.05-4.57 splits)
Monday: 30 min hard fartlek 5.08-17/mile
Tuesday: 1x200,1x300,1x400,1x600,1x200 3 min rec 24.9/40.3/57.4/1.30.5/26.7
Wednesday: 8x ins and out sprints (0-60 m. acc. 60-80 all out 80-100 float)
Thursday: 6x200 27-28 sec
Friday: Sectionals 3200 9.14/800 1.51.9/1600 4.15
Saturday: 7 mile avg. 5.43/mile
Short explination of summer HS training: ?Did mostly base work only.
Favorite HS workout: ?The 12x800 meters. Gradually harder with the last one all out.?
HS Titles/Honors won: ?State Champion 3200 and 1600. Second in the 800 meter.?
HS Pre race rituals: ?Team dinner with pasta and ice creamthe day before and easy run the morning of the race.?
So that is how their greatest runner ever trained (I was about to call BS on that 4:18 in training, then realized it was Bakken posting it...that is still really impressive though). Here is what most group 1 people did, from Newton's book.
Talked to a friend who ran for York in the early 2000s, he said everything is accurate except Monday and Tuesday are exaggerations - they would usually do more like 16-18mi in two workouts (e.g. 10mi AM 6mi PM) when he was there. Maybe they did more at other points in time.
The magic of York was not the training, it was the coach and the team environment. A lot of teams train better now and don't just do "eggs at the wall" insanity like this, and that is why York is not as good as they used to be relative to other teams.
The reason York is relatively not quite as good is NOT because of other teams training better now. The reason is Newton is 86 years old.
There were ALWAYS teams that got more relative improvement from less training. Newton's training is not "eggs at the wall insanity". It might have started that way the first year or two, but Newton, at his best, could look at kids and tell when a kid should be promoted to the next group and when they should be sent out for an easy jog. It takes a lot of talent and durability to get promoted into group 1 and they can handle it by the time Newton gives them the nod.
The reason is that York kids read what people like you write on here and lose their belief in Newton or decide not to run. Since Newton is 86 years old, he doesn't really understand the internet and hasn't been able to change his methods enough to overcome the problem.
If that's Bakken's high school training, then it's the most asinine and unproductive schedule I've ever seen. he should have run under 4:00/8:30 with that.
malmo wrote:
If that's Bakken's high school training, then it's the most asinine and unproductive schedule I've ever seen. he should have run under 4:00/8:30 with that.
Hmmm. In the thread cited, you wrote
"You want my comments? Look, there are many readers here who lack any kind of perspective about training, and specifically, training at the higher levels. I don't see anything out of line with Bakken's training compared to others at his level. You guys want training? You should hear about what Billy McChesney used to do when he was in high school!"
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