Terrible Tom once again. Robert Kraft caves - the Patriots accept the punishment - Wow!!

I take back everything I said :)

The real reason they are bending over and taking it is because they know they are guilty. Right now they still have nuthuggers that still think the whole thing is a farce. As long as it isn't further investigated they can save some face with these gullible saps. They know if they try to present their side it will all come out and they will look like bigger fools. Great job by the NFL on this one.

Polly P wrote:

It was on ESPN. In the best interest of the league, Kraft has reluctantly accepted the punishment against his team.

My opinion: he's taking a bullet for Brady. The Brady appeal goes forward. Kraft and Goodell met on Saturday and hugged. This is part of a deal in the works to reduce Brady's suspension.

Yeah, the whole point now is too minimize the prominence of this spectacle, although obviously now there is the tacit admission that something was afoot.

Fighting it would just fan flames on both sides. Time to move on.

Get used to it.. wrote:

The real reason they are bending over and taking it is because they know they are guilty. Right now they still have nuthuggers that still think the whole thing is a farce. As long as it isn't further investigated they can save some face with these gullible saps. They know if they try to present their side it will all come out and they will look like bigger fools. Great job by the NFL on this one.

Polly P wrote:

It was on ESPN. In the best interest of the league, Kraft has reluctantly accepted the punishment against his team.

My opinion: he's taking a bullet for Brady. The Brady appeal goes forward. Kraft and Goodell met on Saturday and hugged. This is part of a deal in the works to reduce Brady's suspension.

Brady is still appealing so I don't think your argument really holds...

This will be further investigated and the truth will come out, if it isn't already.

If Goodell reverses course on Brady's suspension (which I doubt he will do - I think if Brady wants it to, it will go to court), what does that mean for the Pats? Shouldn't the team penalties be reversed as well?

This move by the Pats I think crushes Brady's chances of having his suspension reversed.

Not necessarily. Historically a suspension for 25% of a season is unprecendented, even considering other sports. Even factoring in the lying, it's clear the NFL is trying to make an example of Brady. It's a shame you can knock your girlfriend out and get 2 games, but lie about a single pound of air pressure and get 4 games. Yes I'm aware Rice ended up with a harsher sentence, but only after a public outcry. 2 games for Brady would be much more appropriate (1 for knowing about deflated game balls and 1 for lying about it).

what for wrote:

Not necessarily. Historically a suspension for 25% of a season is unprecendented, even considering other sports. Even factoring in the lying, it's clear the NFL is trying to make an example of Brady. It's a shame you can knock your girlfriend out and get 2 games, but lie about a single pound of air pressure and get 4 games. Yes I'm aware Rice ended up with a harsher sentence, but only after a public outcry. 2 games for Brady would be much more appropriate (1 for knowing about deflated game balls and 1 for lying about it).

There is still no evidence that he told anyone to deflate balls below 12.5psi after the referees checked the balls. To say he deserves 1 game for lying is absurd. He has denied this since the beginning and the evidence supports him.

If he deserves a suspension so does Andrew Luck who was also playing with deflated balls. Additionally, an investigation needs to be launched into the psi of Green Bay Packer footballs.

Perhaps the strongest piece of evidence in favor of Brady at this point is the now disgraced ball boy hasn't gone to ESPN with his "tell all" as he promised to do in his text.

I mean he is fired from the Patriots (at the league's direction) and has no reason not to make some money by telling the press exactly how the scheme was accomplished.

The only problem is that he doesn't have a story to tell.

Olive Oil wrote:

There is still no evidence that he told anyone to deflate balls below 12.5psi after the referees checked the balls. To say he deserves 1 game for lying is absurd. He has denied this since the beginning and the evidence supports him.

If he deserves a suspension so does Andrew Luck who was also playing with deflated balls. Additionally, an investigation needs to be launched into the psi of Green Bay Packer footballs.

You have exposed yourself as the ultimate fan boy. It has reached the point where it is embarrassing to see you post.

Please stop.

New Sense wrote:

Olive Oil wrote:

There is still no evidence that he told anyone to deflate balls below 12.5psi after the referees checked the balls. To say he deserves 1 game for lying is absurd. He has denied this since the beginning and the evidence supports him.

If he deserves a suspension so does Andrew Luck who was also playing with deflated balls. Additionally, an investigation needs to be launched into the psi of Green Bay Packer footballs.

You have exposed yourself as the ultimate fan boy. It has reached the point where it is embarrassing to see you post.

Please stop.

Great argume...oh wait. You don't have an argument. What's embarrassing is that you think calling me a fan boy proves your case. Brilliant.

Get back to me when you can show me one piece of evidence that conclusively proves that Brady instructed anyone to deflate footballs below 12.5 psi after the refs had checked them.

Next, I'm too biased to think this out clearly but please explain why Luck playing with under-inflated balls is not a problem.

I'm a dumb ultimate fan boy after all...should be easy for you to make your case with evidence and a solid argument.

When the Patriots "fired" the two equipment guys, I am sure that they received enough financial benefit that would keep them from exposing Tom Brady. Give it time though. I see a 30 by 30 special in a few years. Be a man and admit you screwed up - Tom Brady. I have five tickets to the Colts/Patriots game in October at Lucas Oil Field on a Sunday night. Looking forward to it.

Why are some of you talking about "further investigation"? The NFL and their kangaroo court took 4 months to investigate this and uncovered no concrete credible evidence. There's nothing more to investigate. It's over.

Kraft took a bullet for the NFL. In return, Brady's suspension will be reduced. Bet on it.

Olive Oil wrote:

New Sense wrote:

You have exposed yourself as the ultimate fan boy. It has reached the point where it is embarrassing to see you post.

Please stop.

Great argume...oh wait. You don't have an argument. What's embarrassing is that you think calling me a fan boy proves your case. Brilliant.

Get back to me when you can show me one piece of evidence that conclusively proves that Brady instructed anyone to deflate footballs below 12.5 psi after the refs had checked them.

Next, I'm too biased to think this out clearly but please explain why Luck playing with under-inflated balls is not a problem.

I'm a dumb ultimate fan boy after all...should be easy for you to make your case with evidence and a solid argument.

Run along fan boy. Do you really think you have anything worth saying or bothering to pick apart? Seriously?

You are a fan boy. Nothing wrong with that if that's the best you can do. But seriously it is kind of embarrassing watching a grown man (you are over 18?) desperately cling to a pro athlete's nut sack like this.

Polly P wrote:

Why are some of you talking about "further investigation"? The NFL and their kangaroo court took 4 months to investigate this and uncovered no concrete credible evidence. There's nothing more to investigate. It's over.

Kraft took a bullet for the NFL. In return, Brady's suspension will be reduced. Bet on it.

If this goes to court I can see there being the potential for new information to come out. I agree with your assessment for the most part...Brady's suspension will be reduced. However, if I'm Brady and I'm innocent, it better be reduced to zero. If not, I'm going to court to clear my name.

I think we'd all appreciate it if you kept the insults to a minimum. Stop calling people fan boys and produce a retort with some degree of credibility. As an impartial observer, YOU are the one who looks foolish here.

I've noted that I'm a fan of the Patriots numerous times so you're really not bringing any new information to the table here. Calling me a fanboy is accurate - however, I'm trying to be objective and after reading the Wells report there was nothing conclusive whatsoever. After reading the Pats rebuttal it became evident that there are explanations that were intentionally excluded from the Wells report. Have you given the situation the same objectivity - did you read either report?

I love it when a non-contributor tells me to run along though! It's hilarious how you misperceive your self-importance. I'm presenting arguments for my beliefs - fanboy or not - you're the child (you're under 18 right?) here who can contribute nothing but petty insults to support your points.

rojo wrote:I take back everything I said :)

Goodell press conference at 3 PM eastern today.