What messages?
What messages?
While he's at it, Mike could claim the Amazing Randi prize as well:
Are you stating you intentions to file suit against Mr. Rossi?
reality check123 wrote:
Reality check. This is how it appears to his family: random anonymous crazy people on the internet are tweeting things at him because of his celebrity due to the letter to school. That's it. They think you all are crazy.
No. Most people have a great appreciation for $100k and would jump at the chance to claim it if they just had to do something they claim to have already done.
This offer speaks to people and if the mainstream media picks up the story he is in bad shape.
I thought that, for Boston, even after they picked the qualifying times (down to the second), they took all applicants with those qualifying times and ranked them by qualifying time, and only the fastest got in. Then it notified those who had qualified whether they were actually selected for running. Here's the closest I could come to a BAA explanation of this:
http://www.baa.org/news-and-press/news-listing/2014/september/2015-boston-marathon-registration-closed.aspxSo if Rossi had a "qualifying" time of 3:11:whatever, that put him well above other M45 runners who qualified, and would have then pushed the bottom person, who still qualified but were ranked lower because of a slower time, out of the event. Isn't that what everyone who says "he stole a spot" is saying? What am I missing?
RossiCheated wrote:
reality check123 wrote:Reality check. This is how it appears to his family: random anonymous crazy people on the internet are tweeting things at him because of his celebrity due to the letter to school. That's it. They think you all are crazy.
No. Most people have a great appreciation for $100k and would jump at the chance to claim it if they just had to do something they claim to have already done.
This offer speaks to people and if the mainstream media picks up the story he is in bad shape.
Exactly.
Anyone who gets word of this will be mighty suspicious of Mike not collecting an astounding 100k!!! Or at least not jogging for a quick $10k.
The only excuse somewhat plausible is his injury. Which if he is smart will be the one he uses.
Something like "I don't have to prove anything to them" will seem lame when the alternative is to shut people up by taking a cool 100k.
Because of the large size of the field and many people with the same times, it is not exactly one in = one out. For example, if ten people run x time, that could push out seven people who have a shared and slower time.
But the field has a finite size so if enough people cheat their way in some people must be pushed out.
So it possible that he took a spot from a deserving runner but not certain.
Everyone that is mad at Barb needs to re-direct their ire at Bart Yasso.
Barb is a dunce. But Yasso knows better and just doesn't care.
Yasso has a reputation within the running community that is important to him.
Yasso needs to answer for this.
guy who knows the future wrote:
MIKE IS GOING DOWN!!!!!!
ENJOY LIFE WHILE YOU CAN ROSSI!
I HOPE YOU END UP ON THE NEWS AND YOU LOSE YOUR JOB AND YOUR WIFE IS ASHAMED OF YOU AND YOUR KIDS CAN'T RECONCILE WHAT A TERRIBLE PERSON YOU ARE!!!!
GO FEED THE GIMPS MIKE!!!
No wife (she cheated) kids ashamed, lost job (s)? Sounds like someone we know.
Hi Danny!
RossiCheated wrote:
Because of the large size of the field and many people with the same times, it is not exactly one in = one out. For example, if ten people run x time, that could push out seven people who have a shared and slower time.
But the field has a finite size so if enough people cheat their way in some people must be pushed out.
So it possible that he took a spot from a deserving runner but not certain.
Just to clarify something. There's a chance he took zero spots. But there's also a chance he took several spots, i.e., from all those that submitted times 1s slower than the cutoff. It doesn't matter, in the 'average' case he still took one spot for himself.
Not going into stats/probability details here, but is is safe to say, for the sake of argument, that he INDEED took a spot from someone.
Yasso is a chump wrote:
Everyone that is mad at Barb needs to re-direct their ire at Bart Yasso.
Barb is a dunce. But Yasso knows better and just doesn't care.
Yasso has a reputation within the running community that is important to him.
Yasso needs to answer for this.
If Yasso had half the integrity of Hal Higdon, Mike would have been DQed months ago and most of us would have forgotten about the whole thing by now.
And it is feasible he pushed several (or more) people out by bending the curve faster. Only the BAA would know for sure.
RossiCheated wrote:
Because of the large size of the field and many people with the same times, it is not exactly one in = one out. For example, if ten people run x time, that could push out seven people who have a shared and slower time.
But the field has a finite size so if enough people cheat their way in some people must be pushed out.
So it possible that he took a spot from a deserving runner but not certain.
Aye.
Correct. I'm going to use rough example numbers because I'm too lazy to look up the actual numbers but the same principle applies with the actual numbers.
Let's say nobody cheats, for the sake of argument. Let's also assume that the BAA has 22,000 spots available for qualified entrants but they have received 28,000 applications.
All applications will be ordered by time they beat their BQ not by fastest times. So a 30 year old guy who ran a 3:04:50 will get a BQ-0:10. A 46 year old man who ran a 3:20:00 will get a BQ-05:00. A 30 year old man who ran a 2:59:59 will get a BQ-5:01.
Then they rank all 28,000 applicants by their BQ-x time and they start subtracting a second at a time. But the time they get to BQ-1:31 they eliminated 5,923 runners and they still have 22,077 runners that could meet that time standard, BQ-1:31. That would mean every 30 year old guy would have had to run a 3:03:29 or faster and every 46 year old guy had to have ran a 3:23:29 or faster.
So they cut it one more time and the new test is BQ-1:32, 3:03:28 for the open male and 3:23:28 for M45-50. With that one second drop they eliminated another 148 runners. So the field will be 21,929 runners and the time to beat is BQ-1:32. Everyone who ran BQ-1:32 or faster got in and everyone who ran a BQ-1:31 or slower was left out.
Now let's assume that there was a single cheater who "ran" faster than BQ-1:32. If you would eliminate that single person then the qualifying time would still be BQ-1:32 but the field size would drop to 21,928 and the same 148 runners with BQ-1:31 would be left out.
It wouldn't be until you eliminated 77 cheaters like Mike Rossi that you could squeeze in all 148 BQ-1:31 runners for a total field size of 22,000 if you adhere to a hard limit of 22,000.
So a single cheater in itself does not alter the cutoff but a couple dozen collectively does. Given that the cutoff is also based on registrants with self reported results and the results are not verified prior setting the cutoff, false reporting probably accounts for as much of an error as actual cheaters.
With Mike Rossi it's not that he single-handedly denied someone the chance to run Boston but that he cheated and got something that he was not entitled to while others earned their way, either by qualifying or raising money for a charity, to run Boston.
You hobby joggers have no clue what happened in Monaco, do you? You follow things like this and not the actual sport.Go back to Joggers World.
OR....
Mike Rossi was the one runner that effectively changed the standard by one second, and he cost 150 runners the chance at Boston.
Some of us do, not Mike and his minions. Wrong thread, it is Friday night so you are forgiven. Runner's World loves cheater Mike Rossi, it was Yasso's course after all in their backyard. We aren't worried about diets or feel good articles, we want this cheater out of our sport. And this race just started with the brojos article.
Much more to come.
[quote]Holy Hobby Joggers, Batman wrote:
You hobby joggers have no clue what happened in Monaco, do you? You follow things like this and not the actual sport.
Go back to Joggers World.
[quote]GregTR wrote:
So you proved how stupid it was to follow this by reading the thread and taking the time to post about how people posting here are stupid? So you proved you are stupid.
And those it is just as likely that the Monaco times were clean as it was that Rossi ran 311. Both cheaters.
But please keep posting on a jogging thread elite runner.
SageG. wrote:
Yasso is a chump wrote:Everyone that is mad at Barb needs to re-direct their ire at Bart Yasso.
Barb is a dunce. But Yasso knows better and just doesn't care.
Yasso has a reputation within the running community that is important to him.
Yasso needs to answer for this.
If Yasso had half the integrity of Hal Higdon, Mike would have been DQed months ago and most of us would have forgotten about the whole thing by now.
To start, Rossi is a d!ck, and the way he went about bashing the pricipal of his kids' school was reprehensible. He deserves all of the ridicule and shame that has and will continue to come his way.
But, the race director at LVM, Barb McKeever, also deserves to be ridiculed for not having the integrity and/or intelligence to do her job, and Bart Yasso also deserves to be ridiculed for telling the brojos that he doesn't want the folks at LVM worrying about DQ'ing cheaters, he just wants them to focus on raising money for charity. Well, Bart, we can all agree that raising money for charity is a nice goal and should be encouraged, but the two things are not mutually exclusive. If you and the folks at LVM are going to market your marathon as one of the fastest in the country and as giving a runner his or her best chance to qualify for the Boston Marathon, you should care about the integrity of the race. It is clear Rossi cheated, and so it is just as clear that Barb turned a blind eye on the cheating, most probably with the blessing of dear, old Bart.
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