Are JJ Watt, James Harden and Jose Altuve the best trio of superstars in the same city at the same time?

80s in Philadelphia

Reggie White

Mike Schmidt

Julius Dr. J Erving

Bay Area early 90s

Jerry Rice

Barry Bonds

Chris Webber

Tool Bag Winner

Cleveland Currenty

Johnny Football

King James

The entire Indians roster.

not even a Chicago fan but come on Stoner...?

Olajuwon = MJ (NO way...the Dream was great but = to MJ)

Moon (5 Grey Cups ) > Payton (NO, Walter considered top 5 player even, Moon not even top 10 QB)

Bagwell > Sandburg (NO) - Bagwell one NL MVP same with HOFer Sandburg. BUT Bagwell only 4 time allstar compared to 10 time. Bagwell should get in HOF eventually but 0-5 Maybe should have added Biggio instead but still not as good.

Miami Man wrote:

not even a Chicago fan but come on Stoner...?

Olajuwon = MJ (NO way...the Dream was great but = to MJ)

Moon (5 Grey Cups ) > Payton (NO, Walter considered top 5 player even, Moon not even top 10 QB)

Bagwell > Sandburg (NO) - Bagwell one NL MVP same with HOFer Sandburg. BUT Bagwell only 4 time allstar compared to 10 time. Bagwell should get in HOF eventually but 0-5 Maybe should have added Biggio instead but still not as good.

Sandberg played in one more season than Bagwell. He batted .282 versus .297 for Bagwell. 282 home runs versus 450 for Bagwell who batted in the cavernous Astrodome. He likely to have close to 600 home runs in smaller park. 1061 RBIs to 1600 for Bagwell. Many more runs for Bagwell. Some of his achievements - like 150 runs, 120 RBIs 50 home runs and some other stat - the only others are like Ruth, Gehrig and maybe Jimmie Foxx.

Those two are closest of the trios but NL MVP's were 10 years apart and different era's. 10 time allstar vs 4 AND HOFer vs NOT speak for themselves as who was better. Not really as close when talking all around game.

10× All-Star (1984–1993)

NL MVP (1984)

9× Gold Glove Award (1983–1991)

7× Silver Slugger Award (1984, 1985, 1988–1992)

Home Run Derby winner (1990)

Vs

4× All-Star (1994, 1996, 1997, 1999)

NL MVP (1994)

NL Rookie of the Year (1991)

Gold Glove Award (1994)

3× Silver Slugger Award (1994, 1997, 1999)

Boston:

Late 1960s:

Bobby Orr (Best defenseman ever, 8 Norris Trophies, 3 MVP, 2 Stanley Cups)

Bill Russell (2nd best NBA player ever, 11 NBA Championships, 5 MVP)

Carl Yaztrzemski (18 All Starr, 1 AL MVP, Tripple Crown)

You could throw Brady, Ortiz and Gernett in the mix too.

Bag well was a known doper.

He obviously isn't hands down the best defensive player because otherwise we wouldn't have this discussion. For example, in his prime nobody would have this discussion about MJ, or about Barry Sanders, or Jerry Rice. They were hands down the best at their job at that time. Watt is excellent, but far from hands down the best. Not to mention he can't be considered close to the best in football due to his low impact on the game. His team lost 14 games in a row last year. Give Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers 10 other turds and he wins more than 2 games.

Either way the answer to this question is obviously no based on the fact that none of the three teams are winners.

Sally V wrote:

This will show how good Watt is:

And don't forget, Watt is even better than hall of fame Lawrence Taylor!

As you pointed out in that thread...

Sally Vixxxxens wrote:

Tackles - this is huge - LT had zero tackles in 182 games. Zero!!! So far this season J. J., in 10 games, has 212. What was Lawrence doing the rest of the time he was not having an occasional sack??!! That is a crazy bad stat.

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Really amazing, thanks for finding that hard-to-believe "stat"! You certainly know your sports Sally, and are a really bright guy, that much is clear! Keep telling us about who is good and who is bad, I trust your sports knowledge.

Sesamoiditis wrote:

Boston:

Late 1960s:

Bobby Orr (Best defenseman ever, 8 Norris Trophies, 3 MVP, 2 Stanley Cups)

Bill Russell (2nd best NBA player ever, 11 NBA Championships, 5 MVP)

Carl Yaztrzemski (18 All Starr, 1 AL MVP, Tripple Crown)

You could throw Brady, Ortiz and Gernett in the mix too.

Yeah, OP didn't want to "count" hockey, but too bad for him-

Mid 80's: Bird, Clemens, Bourque.

Sally V = Polly P ?

Dial it up wrote:

He obviously isn't hands down the best defensive player because otherwise we wouldn't have this discussion. For example, in his prime nobody would have this discussion about MJ, or about Barry Sanders, or Jerry Rice. They were hands down the best at their job at that time. Watt is excellent, but far from hands down the best. Not to mention he can't be considered close to the best in football due to his low impact on the game. His team lost 14 games in a row last year. Give Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers 10 other turds and he wins more than 2 games.

Either way the answer to this question is obviously no based on the fact that none of the three teams are winners.

Watt is by far the best defensive player in the game at the moment. Anyone suggesting otherwise is either ignorant, a troll, or both.

I think you underestimate how dumb people are. People argued all the time that Malone or Hakeem or Shaq or Barkley were "the best player in the NBA". They were wrong, but they argued it. Dumb people debate the obvious all the time. Kinda like how you're arguing that Watt isn't the best defensive player currently in the NFL.

vdfv wrote:

Smarter than you. wrote:

Watt is by far the best defensive player in the game at the moment. Anyone suggesting otherwise is either ignorant, a troll, or both.

I think you underestimate how dumb people are. People argued all the time that Malone or Hakeem or Shaq or Barkley were "the best player in the NBA". They were wrong, but they argued it. Dumb people debate the obvious all the time. Kinda like how you're arguing that Watt isn't the best defensive player currently in the NFL.

That was meant for Dial it up - sorry for the misquote.

And DIU fits the description. Comparing Suh and Watt is a joke. One is a man, the other is one step from getting his ass tossed from the league. Why any team spent their money on that risk is unfathomable.

Here are best all-time seasons (since this stat kept) for 3-4 ends:

Best Overall Grade

Rank Player Team Year Grade RUSH COV RUN PEN

1 J.J. Watt HOU 2013 99.8 57 1 42.8 -1

2 J.J. Watt HOU 2012 94.2 59.6 1.5 35 -1.9

3 Justin Smith SF 2011 39.2 33.9 1 4.2 0.1

4 Muhammad Wilkerson NYJ 2012 37.2 14.6 1 21.4 0.2

5 Justin Smith SF 2010 36.5 20.9 1.5 13.4 0.7

6 Calais Campbell ARZ 2013 34.1 26 0 7 1.1

7 Justin Smith SF 2009 33.5 33.7 2 -3.4 1.2

8 Kyle Williams BUF 2013 27.8 23.7 -1.5 8.4 -2.8

9 Cameron Jordan NO 2013 26.8 31.6 0 -6.3 1.5

Watt has the 2 best seasons ever. Look at his scores - 99.8 and 94.2 - the next best is 39.2.

Here is for tackles:

Best Overall Grade

Rank Player Team Year Grade RUSH COV RUN PEN

1 Geno Atkins CIN 2012 73.6 49.5 2 20.4 1.7

2 Gerald McCoy TB 2013 48.8 52.5 1.5 1.7 -6.9

3 Albert Haynesworth TEN 2007 36.3 19.3 1 23.6 -7.6

4 Kevin Williams MIN 2008 35.2 32.4 0 5.6 -2.8

5 Kyle Williams BUF 2010 35 15 1.5 20.5 -2

6 Kris Jenkins CAR 2007 34 16.3 1 25.2 -8.5

7 Ndamukong Suh DET 2013 32.8 34.3 -0.5 3.9 -4.9

8 Brandon Mebane SEA 2013 30.7 9.8 0.5 18.5 1.9

9 Jamaal Williams SD 2007 29.1 -5.1 0 33.7 0.5

10 Damon Harrison NYJ 2013 29 -4.8 1 33.2 -0.4

11 Jurrell Casey TEN 2013 28.2 27.1 2 -1.8 0.9

12 Shaun Rogers DET 2007 28.1 14.5 1 19.1 -6.5

Suh's best season has him at 32.8 - versus 99.8 for JJ.

br0ski wrote:

Harden is not a top 3 hoopster. Top 10 Ill give you.

How about Tom Brady, David Ortiz, Kevin Garnett. At least they all won a championship.

Or including hockey, Bill Russell, Bobby Orr, Carl Yastrzemski.

I was thinking about Boston in 2004.

How about Philly in 1980?

Julius Erving

Mike Schmidt or Steve Carlton

Ron Jaworski or Harold Carmichael or Wilbert Montgomery

Bobby Clarke

All 4 teams made it to the championships in that year.

Philly 86-87

End of his prime Mike Schmidt (NL MVP in 86)

Charles Barkley and Reggie White both at the height of their physical dominance and entering their primes

Boston Mid 80s

Larry Bird

Raymond Borque

Roger Clemens

LA for a very brief period in 1988

Orel Hershiser pitched 59 consecutive scoreless innings to end the regular season, was NL CY Young, NLCS MVP and World Series MVP

Magic Johnson

Wayne Gretzky

In addition to Hershiser in 1988, Kirk Gibson was NL MVP, Bo Jackson was an all time talent playing for the LA Raiders, and Magic Johnson and Wayne Gretzky were league MVPs in the 1988-89 seasons.

So right around the 1988 World Series when baseball, hockey, football and basketball season all overlap, it's hard to beat LA for simultaneous greatness across multiple sports.