Eddie Cheserek's trajectory confuses me.

cheater wrote:

He is an age cheater!!!!

Well know if you go to Kenya that he was with brother Colm long before he came to the US , and he reports Cheater Chez to me much older!

I've been there personally and have spoken w family and friends who are surprisingly open to admit he is much older than he claims to be!

Overused his senior year kept him moderate and now can train like a professional ,

How awesome was Rupp his senior year and fresh professional !?

is it any wonder when Cheater Chez is about that same age!?

The Cheater should just go Pro and stop all the games !

Let me translate for the above poster because I don't think he was clear. I'm going to paraphrase a bit..

"I'm really insecure!

We all have heard of Kenya before and I even have a guy who lives on my block who looks like he might be from Africa and I think he looks older than he says he is so EVERYONE from Africa must be lying about their age.

I was a really slow runner in college and I feel bad about myself so I want to make sure to bring down anyone else I can so I can feel better about myself!

end quote.

Wendell from Key and Peele wrote:

Let me translate for the above poster because I don't think he was clear. I'm going to paraphrase a bit..

"I'm really insecure!

We all have heard of Kenya before and I even have a guy who lives on my block who looks like he might be from Africa and I think he looks older than he says he is so EVERYONE from Africa must be lying about their age.

I was a really slow runner in college and I feel bad about myself so I want to make sure to bring down anyone else I can so I can feel better about myself!

end quote.

Let me translate for the above poster.

I am really insecure. I live vicariously through a "college" sports team because I have zero ability of my own. I don't care that grampa ches is an age cheater. I don't care that every oregon "student" athlete is a doper. I don't care that oregon is a clown kollege. I don't care that sleazy sal is one of the most despicable people in history. I was a really slow runner in college and I feel bad about myself so I want to make sure to bring down anyone else I can so I can feel better about myself!

Wendell, I think you have had too much Duck Cool-Aid. The program is dirty. High School / College runners know it, High school / college coaches know it, and deep down somewhere, you know it too.

What Cheserek and Jenkins are doing is winning, and winning is impressive at any level. However when you bend and even break rules to do that (see my post regarding his current coach and many other claims posters have made that probably aren't too far from the truth), it's dirty. If you feel good about hanging your running hat on a dirty program who will stop at nothing to win, I think your missing the boat on what this sport really is supposed to be about.

Ches was like the Kenyan Junior Olympics (Age Group) champ.

Kenyan Junior National Champs generally aren't going to grade school, living in Orphanage and somehow end up in the U.S.; they are in a pro group preparing for World Jr or the diamond league.

cheater wrote:

He is an age cheater!!!!

Well know if you go to Kenya that he was with brother Colm long before he came to the US , and he reports Cheater Chez to me much older!

I've been there personally and have spoken w family and friends who are surprisingly open to admit he is much older than he claims to be!

Overused his senior year kept him moderate and now can train like a professional ,

How awesome was Rupp his senior year and fresh professional !?

is it any wonder when Cheater Chez is about that same age!?

The Cheater should just go Pro and stop all the games !

This line of reasoning pops up whenever an African transplant who is older than 18 enteres the NCAA. Or when BYU has guys who don't forge birth certificates, but openly admit to being years older than many in the same class. Or when Lukas V was considering a collegiate career. Or whenever someone is just killing NCAA championships.

Problem with this is that it's not cheating. If the NCAA has any age restriction - or for that matter drug restrictions - please post the rule here. How many times have we seen this come up on how many threads? Yet none ever include citation of the rule in question.

Until the NCAA bans anyone over 25 (or the use of EPO) then it's not against the rules and

NOT CHEATING!

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Until the NCAA bans anyone over 25 (or the use of EPO) then it's not against the rules and

NOT CHEATING![/quote]

waaaait EPO isnt banned in NCAA? da fuq

Oregon. wrote:

Oregon develops talent. Plain and simple.

Rupp, Wheating, Acosta, Centro, Greer, Jenkins, Puskedra, Dunbar, Stinson, Fleet, etc, etc, etc, etc

They have a tried, true and tested program.

From Lannana to Powell....seemless transition of one great coach to another.

True. Cheserek is now getting the coaching and types of workouts he needed to develop. Plain and simple.

I still think Ches is a three years older than what is claimed (after seeing him in person more than once). That alone is helpful in terms of strength.

Edward was a very low mileage guy at Benedict's, never getting above 40 per week. Throughout most of his senior year he spent time studying for his SAT's as well! I don't think it is fair to say he is finally getting the workouts he needs to get better.

He is at a school now training with 4 other guys who ran under 7:50 for 3K!! He has more soft surfaces to run on then in Newark area. He does not have to race as often and can train for months on end.

Edward was a spectacular high school runner and has been progressing at a great rate! Easy kid to root for.

It's funny that there is one guy who finds it unacceptable that Oregon is so successful and he uses dozens of different names when posting to make it look like there are many who agree with his delusional rants.

From now on this poster, no matter what name he posts under, shall be referred to as LOSER. Just one name. LOSER.

coaching not epo wrote:

Oregon. wrote:

Oregon develops talent. Plain and simple.

Rupp, Wheating, Acosta, Centro, Greer, Jenkins, Puskedra, Dunbar, Stinson, Fleet, etc, etc, etc, etc

They have a tried, true and tested program.

From Lannana to Powell....seemless transition of one great coach to another.

True. Cheserek is now getting the coaching and types of workouts he needed to develop. Plain and simple.

I still think Ches is a three years older than what is claimed (after seeing him in person more than once). That alone is helpful in terms of strength.

Since the days of watching my hard working teammates get their tails kicked by Rono and other adults, I've been against the NCAA allowing anyone to compete past age 23.

Call me square. "You get 5 to do 4 and you gotta be done by 23."

--So you've seen Edward in person more than once? How close were you?

As others have said, if you see him from the distance of shaking his hand, he looks his stated age.

Since none of us posters know for sure how old Edward is, some of us use the incredibly inaccurate method of assuming he's old because 1) he's a Kenyan and 2) because he's really fast.

I'd say another way to assess his age that may even be more accurate than the above method is is to meet him, stand close to him and look at his face. Anyone who has done that would agree that he looks very young. Looks like a teenager.

Of both of the above "less than ideal" methods of predicting one's age, I'm going with method #2. In my book, Edward is the correct age for a soph in college. He looks very young.

Among all those saying that Cheserek was too old in high school, the guesses simply did not correlate with the current claims that he is too old for college. Somehow he aged about four or five years in the last year and a half, just so that you could say he is too old for college. My guess would be that he is 20-22 right now. When he hits BYU runner after a mission age, let me know and he'll still be eligible for the NCAA.

And even though I do not think Ches any older than he is, and I was originally skeptical four years ago, if he was 22-23 now,it still wold not matter because he is crushing people not just beating them, most of the time.

Lalang barely beat him and is/was a 13 low guy, after Ches ran the 10(Lalang the 15 of course at NC's)

It doesn;lt even matter anymore unless you think he is like 25, which I would never buy into.

You're delusional wrote:

Wendell, I think you have had too much Duck Cool-Aid. The program is dirty. High School / College runners know it, High school / college coaches know it, and deep down somewhere, you know it too.

What Cheserek and Jenkins are doing is winning, and winning is impressive at any level. However when you bend and even break rules to do that (see my post regarding his current coach and many other claims posters have made that probably aren't too far from the truth), it's dirty. If you feel good about hanging your running hat on a dirty program who will stop at nothing to win, I think your missing the boat on what this sport really is supposed to be about.

Trialswatcher wrote:

And even though I do not think Ches any older than he is, and I was originally skeptical four years ago, if he was 22-23 now,it still wold not matter because he is crushing people not just beating them, most of the time.

Lalang barely beat him and is/was a 13 low guy, after Ches ran the 10(Lalang the 15 of course at NC's)

It doesn;lt even matter anymore unless you think he is like 25, which I would never buy into.

This thread is still on this age thing?

As posts above have already covered:

1). Being 26, 31 or whatever everyone's concerned about breaks no rules.

This, I assume can be agreed upon by all.

2). Maybe the NCAA should make a rule against the current state of affairs, which is 1) above.

I certainly don't think we'll all agree on this one!