Seb Coe 800m EC 1981 last 100m

Running at the back of a crowded pack of 1500m runners with times 20 seconds slower than Ryun's was poor tactics. It was his tactical decision to run in that position and risk being tripped, not bad luck. Watch Coe run his Olympic 1500m heats. He cleverly runs wide at times, takes the lead to secure positions of authority, and ensures he is not tripped by lesser runners.

Poor tactics by Ryun wrote:Running at the back of a crowded pack of 1500m runners with times 20 seconds slower than Ryun's was poor tactics

no

it isn't

Asbel even employed it nowdays in global final !!

it is a fine tactic providing you are not huge way behind last qualifying spot & time your kick right on last lap

It was his tactical decision to run in that position and risk being tripped, not bad luck

nonsense

you can get tripped when in 2nd place in a crowded race

the only place you are not likely to get tripped is leading, but even then you can get clipped from behind

Ryun's trip was bad luck

Watch Coe run his Olympic 1500m heats. He cleverly runs wide at times, takes the lead to secure positions of authority, and ensures he is not tripped by lesser runners

nonsense

the only +ve outcome was that coe qualified, nothing clever about his tactics

that wide-running strategy expended valuable energy which couda cost him in the final if, especially, the '80 one had been hard from the gun & not just a glorified 800

if not for the boycott with no wessinghage, hudak or scott there, one of the trio at least wouda made it hard from much longer way out, that extra distance couda cost coe gold

ventolin^3 wrote:

Poor tactics by Ryun wrote:Running at the back of a crowded pack of 1500m runners with times 20 seconds slower than Ryun's was poor tactics

no

it isn't

Asbel even employed it nowdays in global final !!

it is a fine tactic providing you are not huge way behind last qualifying spot & time your kick right on last lap

Have you ever admitted you were wrong about anything?

Oh, wait, in this thread you had coe as a faster 400m runner than ryun, don't think you still hold to that...

Mr. Obvious wrote:Have you ever admitted you were wrong about anything?

when startling new evidence presented as does anyone

Oh, wait, in this thread you had coe as a faster 400m runner than ryun, don't think you still hold to that...

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=4318384

inept

this was before i saw

i'd based my 45.8 / 46.0

on

47.0 relay

in peak-'67 shape on dry, pristine dirt for 400m in a relay-meet where that was only run of day

how shocked i was when i found account which showed it was it was for

- 440y !!

not 400m

- on total sludge, unfit for running on as lj needed a conveyor belt brought in !!!

not dry, pristine dirt !!!

- Ryun having a 3'55.8 in his legs on that sludge from earlier !!!

not rested !!!

- It was '67 peak at 20y+ in 1-off relay

it was '66-early, when Ryun was still raw kid at 18y, not his incredible '67-late peak !!!

you haven't the neurone to comprehend that this new info immediately smashed Ryun's "peak" 400 of expectation above of

45.8 - 46.0

without any other serious consideration

by at least 1s to

44.8 - 45.0

more likely is

44.5 - 44.7

ventolin^3 wrote:

52.5 / 11.5 / 13.3 / 27.9

in '72 trials when missing 3rd by 0.1s

so, no 800 in munich

a travesty, considering he was 800WR holder as kid when ill, off jog on 1st lap & prelim in his legs from 3 hours before !!!

this '72 race needs huge amount of analysis, which i'm sure has been done here before ???, so link it & delete this if redudant :

i have seen/read most any worthwhile euro race last 40++y, mostly live on tv/satellite/cable

i have never heard of a

11.5

anywhere on 2nd lap of a 1'45 !!!

looking at info :

this was 3rd race on successive days !!!

therefore any kick he put in was blunted by rounds compared to 1-off !!!

there is no info as to when Ryun started that kick

it is assumed 400, but it maya been 405 or 410 or 420+ ???

he maya had 11.5 off only a < 80 - 95m kick !!!

we need vid

next

fulton led in 52.0, with Ryun somewhere behind in 52.5 & wottle last, in 52.9

Ryun couda been anywhere between 2nd or 7th inclusive, as no full vid or more detailed accounts

i doubt Ryun was as good as 2nd with 52.5 v 52.0 at bell

the bottom line is, unless Ryun ran over fulton, he wouda had to run wide to pass him on that bend, even if he was 2nd at bell, probably more likely worse than 2nd - couda been as low as 7th ??!!!

it is virtually certain Ryun had to run wide on 3rd bend in his

11.5

therefore, no way was

11.5

a likely true reflection of Ryun's 400 - 500 for a route-1, fast-100 from 400, not 405 - 420

i suggest is, for which he still hung onto 1'45.2 for a fully rested, 1-off 800 is

~ 11.1 / 11.2

44.5! Mad as a March hare.

LMAO

Here is some evidence about Coe's superior tactical ability at Olympic 1500m racing: two Olympic Golds

Here is evidence of Ryun's poor Olympic 1500m tactics: zero gold medals

By the time my post appears no one has a clue that the original writer of this post is talking about THE LAST 100 of an 800. Some seem to think Coe is running an open 100 meter dash!!!

Too many people are drinkin' sumpin' on this blog.

elmore345 wrote:

How many replies have you had answering your question?

Do I have to still keep counting?

Most reference books are littered with mistakes. Loads of splits published have been shown to be wrong when video evidence has finally appeared or been analysed properly.

The 11.5 split for 4 to 500 is pretty random in itself. How many times are those splits taken in an 800. And how accurate is a hand timed split at the meet for this stretch.

Perhaps the timer failed to recognise the 1500m start line like Ventolin did in Marseille?

And strangely enough it is yet another claimed split for a race where there appears to be no video evidence.

Stop wetting yourself over a random claim from one person with no evidence it happened whatsoever.

You stupid plodders have no clue of the sprint speed required to run a 44.5 400m. No 800m/1500m runner has ever broken 46.

usually when nonsense spoken about last 100 or some such usually nonsense stat that hardly anyone measures

hardly

there isn't often even a clear marker for the split in question in vid, so we go with guys who timed the race & saw whole race live & had it incorporated into official report

nonsense

it is not hard to time a split from bell to 1500m start line

Ryun is quoted as 52.5 at bell, 11.5 for next split & 24.8 for 400 - 600 for 1'17.3 complied from 2 top sources

pretty damn thorough research from compilers

about as often as last 100m in a 800 or for that instance, any 100m split in a 800

clueless

this was '72 or can't you comprehend that was still generally hand-timed era

in fact, there was semi auto-timing at meet with hand-started auto-timer meaning finish was auto-time but hand-started, reducing timing error by 1/2 compared to fully hand-timed race

wottle's 1'44.3 is mentioned as 1'44.26 from friend who congratulated him after his win meaning a scoreboard to 1/100ths was on show

eh ?

what is this drivel ?

inept

'72 trials was in eugene, which if you had a clue has had meeting there yearly upto today & will host wc in '21

are you so clueless as to think timers have been misjudging the 1500m line in eugene for nearly 50y ???

utterly inept

this was in '72 where video was scarce

in fact, the finish of this race was on youtube which you wouda known if you weren't too incompetent to have checked coupla years ago & which i saw

now deleted :

utter total drivel

how damn inept are you ???

this is not some random claim you incompetent, but in the official account of the olympic trials !!! :

if you were there in stadium & timed the race & splits yourself, then tell us !!!