Precious Roy wrote:
In the early days of Islam, there was a lot of idolatry of the prophet, much as Christian's worship Jesus.
Well, a more accurate statement would be:
"In the early days of Islam, there was a lot of idolatry of the prophet, much as Christian's worship various saints."
Jesus is the Creator of Heaven and Earth. It is more than permissible to worship Him. He's not just a prophet in Christianity.
Precious Roy wrote:
This is ultimately the problem with Islam. It calls on followers to go beyond their own communities to enforce their beliefs against non-believers in order to be rewarded with Heaven on Earth. And this is also why the reaction is so violent in countries with large Muslim populations. They see westerners consciously interfering with their quest to find Heaven just for mere amusement.
You left a pretty big gap by not mentioning that most branches of Islam file Christians and Jews under believers, a little delusional, but still believers.
Atheists like me however...we're toast!
Kingslayer wrote:
Precious Roy wrote:This is ultimately the problem with Islam. It calls on followers to go beyond their own communities to enforce their beliefs against non-believers in order to be rewarded with Heaven on Earth. And this is also why the reaction is so violent in countries with large Muslim populations. They see westerners consciously interfering with their quest to find Heaven just for mere amusement.
You left a pretty big gap by not mentioning that most branches of Islam file Christians and Jews under believers, a little delusional, but still believers.
Atheists like me however...we're toast!
Nonsense. Try preaching some Christianity on a street corner in Saudi Arabia and see if you are regarded as a harmless, 'deluded' oddity, and left to amuse passers-by. Try not to lose your head while you're at it. Here is an extract from an excellent article on Sharia Law for those with an attention span greater than a gnat.
http://www.qsociety.org.au/Sharia_Law_for_Non_Muslim.pdfKafirs and People of the Book
Muslims tell Christians and Jews that they are special. They are “People
of the Book” and are brothers in the Abrahamic faith. But in Islam you
are a Christian, if and only if, you believe that Christ was a man who was
a prophet of Allah; there is no Trinity; Jesus was not crucified nor resurrected and that He will return to establish Sharia law. To be a true Jew you must believe that Mohammed is the last in the line of Jewish prophets.
This verse is positive:
5:77 Say: Oh, People of the Book, do not step out of the bounds of truth
in your religion, and do not follow the desires of those who have gone
wrong and led many astray. They have themselves gone astray from the
even way.
Islamic doctrine is dualistic, so there is an opposite view as well. Here is
the last verse written about the People of the Book (A later verse abrogates
or nullifies an earlier verse. See page 26.). This is the final word. It calls for
Muslims to make war on the People of the Book who do not believe in the
religion of truth, Islam.
9:29 Make war on those who have received the Scriptures [Jews and Christians] but do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day. They do not forbid
what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden. The Christians and Jews
do not follow the religion of truth until they submit and pay the poll tax
[jizya] and they are humiliated.
The sentence “They do not forbid…” means that they do not accept
Sharia law; “until they submit” means to submit to Sharia law. Christians
and Jews who do not accept Mohammed as the final prophet are Kafirs.
Muslims pray five times a day and the opening prayer always includes:
Koran 1: 7 Not the path of those who anger You [the Jews] nor the path of
those who go astray [the Christians].
The average Muslim could care less about the sorta garbage you quote. If the US ends the War on Islam and military occupation of the Middle East, the Muslims will stop retaliating on Europe and US, and buy more iPhones and Hollywood Porn. We need jobs, jobs, jobs, not war.
What is it with you morons-'couldn't care less', how hard can it be?
It's not the 'average muslim' that is a problem. It is the incorrigible leadership of Islam, who will subvert or kill the moderates, that we need to destroy without compunction.
Lydiard is God wrote:
What is it with you morons-'couldn't care less', how hard can it be?
It's not the 'average muslim' that is a problem. It is the incorrigible leadership of Islam, who will subvert or kill the moderates, that we need to destroy without compunction.
...Goddam Savages.
They have always been Goddam Savages, they will always be Goddam Savages.
You are talking about animals who stone women to death for BS, still wipe their a$$ with their bare hand, and Fck little boys & livestock.
FCkN SAVAGES.
Lydiard is God wrote:
Nonsense. Try preaching some Christianity on a street corner in Saudi Arabia and see if you are regarded as a harmless, 'deluded' oddity, and left to amuse passers-by. Try not to lose your head while you're at it. Here is an extract from an excellent article on Sharia Law for those with an attention span greater than a gnat...
Have you ever measured the attention span of a gnat? Seems to me that they can be relentless and as such they must have exceptionally long attention spans.
Muslims be cool to me. I like my iPod, iPhone, iPad, and Macbook Air from a the son of Syrian Muslim's company, Apple Computer Corp. I want Obama to lay off of Islam and the Middle East, pull out his soldiers, spies, and funds. Get big gov't out of the ME and let the private sector handle the oil and consumer products trade with Islam.
Hyam Abramowitz wrote:
I don't understand why Islam won't let funny papers be funny.
That's their job.
The world needs a laugh.
But my professor said Europe is very intolerant.
That 85% of Jewish liberal arts professors in the United States sympathize with Palestinians like he does,
and that publishing sympathetic views for Palestine would automatically land him in jail in Europe.
Europe is so intolerant and cruel to all those savages they let into their wealthy countries, allowing them to escape the shitholes they left behind. How dare Europe try to suggest that these people change their ways and respect modern values!
Only good thing about the ongoing Mideast conflict is that it has brought all those caveman fanatics out of the woodwork.
Give it up. Sick of the ME. No US troops. No CIA. No military proxies. No backing any ME gov't. Drop them fools in the ME altogether. All of them. No exceptions. But keep tourism, non-mil trade, academia, student exchange, humanitarian aid in form of food, medical, no cash, no gold.
Lydiard is God wrote:
But in Islam you
are a Christian, if and only if, you believe that Christ was a man who was
a prophet of Allah; there is no Trinity
Lies.
When the Moors controlled Iberia for 700 years and let Christians use their mosques for worship on Sundays, do you think all those Spanish Catholics denied the trinity? Stop getting your information from hate groups.
Try saying something the Israel Lobby does not like and not lose your job in the public eye.
Precious Roy wrote:
In Islam there is no division between Heaven and Earth. If you follow the teachings of Islam, you will be able to achieve Heaven on Earth. That is why followers of Islam see government as being either secondary to their religion or being one and the same as their religion.
The prohibition on portraying the prophet arises from the strict ban on idolatry in Islam. The prophet Mohammed is not God and should never be worshiped. Worship of the prophet over God is seen as heresy and diminishing God. In the early days of Islam, there was a lot of idolatry of the prophet, much as Christian's worship Jesus. But this was strictly forbidden and the fear in Islam is that worshipping the prophet could ultimately interfere with the possibility of finding Heaven on Earth.
This is ultimately the problem with Islam. It calls on followers to go beyond their own communities to enforce their beliefs against non-believers in order to be rewarded with Heaven on Earth. And this is also why the reaction is so violent in countries with large Muslim populations. They see westerners consciously interfering with their quest to find Heaven just for mere amusement.
Of course, this is all a bunch of crap and no one in the West should yield an inch to this religious fanaticism. But it is a much more accurate picture of the conflict than you get in the news.
Thanks for the summary, PR. I think you added some truly useful info here. Much obliged.
And it's nice that you (apparently) see the absurdity of god-belief, too. Friends, Muslims worship exactly the same "God" of Abraham that Jews and Christians do.
More garbage by the coexist crowd. Only the most ignorant would claim that Muslims and Christians worship the same God. I guess the Jesus of Mormonism is the same too, right?
More lies wrote:
I guess the Jesus of Mormonism is the same too, right?
Um......
Yes.
More lies wrote:
More garbage by the coexist crowd. Only the most ignorant would claim that Muslims and Christians worship the same God...
You mean that there is more than one God?
Jeff Wigand wrote:
[quote]Lydiard is God wrote:
But in Islam you
are a Christian, if and only if, you believe that Christ was a man who was
a prophet of Allah; there is no Trinity
Lies.
When the Moors controlled Iberia for 700 years and let Christians use their mosques for worship on Sundays, do you think all those Spanish Catholics denied the trinity? Stop getting your information from hate groups.[/quote
Jeff, you are a total moron. Why did they spend the next 700 years trying to piss the camel-fvcking retards off?
More lies wrote:
More garbage by the coexist crowd. Only the most ignorant would claim that Muslims and Christians worship the same God. I guess the Jesus of Mormonism is the same too, right?
God of Abraham
God of Moses
God of Jesus
Same one. Why do you think Judaism, Christianity and Islam are grouped together as Abrahamic religions? They all worship the God of Abraham.
Jeff Wigand wrote:
More lies wrote:More garbage by the coexist crowd. Only the most ignorant would claim that Muslims and Christians worship the same God. I guess the Jesus of Mormonism is the same too, right?
God of Abraham
God of Moses
God of Jesus
Same one. Why do you think Judaism, Christianity and Islam are grouped together as Abrahamic religions? They all worship the God of Abraham.
Who is this other God whose existence you infer?
Lydiard is God wrote:
Why did they spend the next 700 years trying to piss the camel-fvcking retards off?
The Inquisition was officially abolished in 1834.