Nick Symmonds to make 3000m Indoor Debut - How fast will he go?

More likely that Symmonds runs under 8:05 or that J Wariner runs under 1:50?

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ijenns318 wrote:

Where did you even get this information from?

nick should be able to go 8 minutes flat.

that's 420 mile pace, 65-66 secs / lap is a hard aerobic pace but an awful lot of non-world class athletes can run at this pace.

62-63 seconds per lap aerobic is another world entirely however.

Sorry if I'm being rude or pedantic, but "65-66 secs / lap" isn't 8 flat pace. 8:00 is exactly 64s / 400m. Not an insignificant difference in a flat-out effort

8 flat is 64 sec/lap, which is 13:20 5k pace

8 flat is 64 sec/lap, which is 2:08 800m pace.

Concupiscurd wrote:

More likely that Symmonds runs under 8:05 or that J Wariner runs under 1:50?

On each's first go:

Wariner under 1:50 - 25% chance

Symmonds under 8:05 - 10% chance

8:12.66

He doesn't need to be under 8:00 for it to be a success. His attempt to line up for a 3k is a success.

Only runner in history to have run 1:42 for 800m and 24 for 8k. Just saying...

He reminds me of Alan Webb - weird form, stocky, white and has good foot speed, decent endurance. Exception being that Nick is a tremendous competitor and championship racer. If anything - American milers should be very concerned he's shifting his attention to the 1500m. His kick is very good and tactics are sound. He does very well in multi-round situations such as in championships.

His 3:34 is just tip of the iceberg. There's a lot more there with concentrated training - and especially given he's been a lower mileage guy and there's more room for aerobic development. Make it a slow, sit-and-kick affair and you cannot beat Nick Symmonds.

With that said - he's usually not in top form in indoors and especially not for anything above 800m. I've seen some terrible races from him in indoors. From his book - I got the sense he prefers to hunt, fish, and drink a lot of beer during the offseason.

8:10

no signal wrote:

8 flat is 64 sec/lap, which is 2:08 800m pace.

Also, 8 flat is 64 sec/lap, which is 1:04 400m pace.

krispy kremlin wrote:

So I think Jeremy Wariner moving to 800m will be very interesting and I'm optimistic to him surprising some people.

But the 400-to-800 move is still a fast-to-fast transition. 800-to-3k (or I'll even say 1500-to-3000) is a fast-to-endurance transition. NS ran 3:34.5 but a 3000m is a completely different gear. I hope he does well and I'm excited to see how it turns out.

Also, depending on whether you believe wikipedia:

JW: 6' 150lbs (age: 30)

NS: 5'10" 165lbs (age: 31)

This is unbelievable - the world-class sprinter is 15lbs lighter than the world-class mid-distance runner.

JW isn't moving to 800. He may run one to open his season after coming off a calf injury. 400 is still his primary focus.

I'd be shocked if he broke 8:15. Wariner easily has a better shot at sub 1:50 than Nick does at 8:00.

Sebastian Coe probably split 24 for 8k in training runs.