Being a Buckeye fan, glad OSU got a chance.
Being a Buckeye fan, glad OSU got a chance.
I was thinking about this last night after the Ohio game. This just shows that some type of playoff system is/was needed.
Just think how many fraudulent titles the SEC won because of their strength of schedule collusion. The playoffs are their worst nightmare.
Haji wrote:
I was thinking about this last night after the Ohio game. This just shows that some type of playoff system is/was needed.
It's amazing how long it took the NCAA to get here. Shows how corrupt big money has made big time college football.
This should be strong evidence that the NCAA needs to go even further, to a sixteen team playoff that starts in early December or late November. Drop the regular season to eleven or even ten games. There is no need for big time schools to waste a week annihilating some out of conference patsy opponent early in the season. On a ten game schedule, two teams that make the final game would have 14 game seasons. As it stands now, teams that make a bowl game of any kind have 13 game seasons, so not much of a difference.
Yes
Bama Whamma wrote:
...go even further, to a sixteen team playoff that starts in early December or late November. Drop the regular season to eleven or even ten games. .... On a ten game schedule, two teams that make the final game would have 14 game seasons. As it stands now, teams that make a bowl game of any kind have 13 game seasons, so not much of a difference.
Agreed, but the regular season should be 11 games, for reasons of money.
Two teams play 15 games, four play 14 games, 8 play 13 games.
With 16 teams there are 15 games. Fifteen of the current bowls would host a playoff game.
Because the left-out bowls would cry about being dumped, you could add a second level of parallel playoffs for teams ranked 17-32. Fifteen more bowls would get to host a playoff game: 30 bowls total.
The top 16 teams final rankings of 1-16. The second group of teams get ranking of 17-32.
Yessum... wrote:
The top 16 teams final rankings of 1-16. The second group of teams get ranking of 17-32.
Make the conference championships mean something, winners of the 16 team conferences are in, then work your way down the list to fill the "championship" 16, then the 2nd 16 can duke it out for the equivalent of the NIT win.
And no more games with an unranked 7-5 team playing some unranked 6-6.
Haji wrote:
I was thinking about this last night after the Ohio game. This just shows that some type of playoff system is/was needed.
No it doesn't. This only shows who won their LAST game.
Schools make millions of dollars off home games so having every team drop regular season games in favor of a 16 or more team playoff is not going to happen.
I think 8 teams is the perfect number for the playoff. It allows for 5 autobids from the power conferences plus 3 wildcards. It is still workable with the current regular season schedule and the 4 former BCS bowls would be the first round.
Bama Whamma wrote:
Haji wrote:I was thinking about this last night after the Ohio game. This just shows that some type of playoff system is/was needed.
It's amazing how long it took the NCAA to get here. Shows how corrupt big money has made big time college football.
This should be strong evidence that the NCAA needs to go even further, to a sixteen team playoff that starts in early December or late November. Drop the regular season to eleven or even ten games. There is no need for big time schools to waste a week annihilating some out of conference patsy opponent early in the season. On a ten game schedule, two teams that make the final game would have 14 game seasons. As it stands now, teams that make a bowl game of any kind have 13 game seasons, so not much of a difference.
Nope. The only way to do this fairly is with a 128 team playoff. Limit the upper division to 128 teams, put them all in a randomly seeded playoff bracket and go to it. That means the final two teams play 7 games in the Truly Fair Playoffs (tm).
Set it up by having a 4-5 game "regular season" where all schools get to play traditional rivals (USC/ND, Army/Navy, Red River Shootout, WLOCP, tOSU/Michigan, Bedlam, Civil War, etc) and a couple of other games to get tuned up for the playoffs.
Anything else is just glorified poll voting. Division 1 college football has too many teams to determine who gets into the playoffs in any kind of a fair manner, so put them all in. The regular season is going to me meaningless soon anyway, so go whole hog and give us a fair playoff to settle it on the field.
What? You say teams will lose money that way? Is that what the playoffs is about? Well, fcuk it. Let's just watch the NFL.
Pretty cool how you call them "Felony State University" because they have a black quarterback. Enlightened attitude.
settle it on the field wrote:
Bama Whamma wrote:It's amazing how long it took the NCAA to get here. Shows how corrupt big money has made big time college football.
This should be strong evidence that the NCAA needs to go even further, to a sixteen team playoff that starts in early December or late November. Drop the regular season to eleven or even ten games. There is no need for big time schools to waste a week annihilating some out of conference patsy opponent early in the season. On a ten game schedule, two teams that make the final game would have 14 game seasons. As it stands now, teams that make a bowl game of any kind have 13 game seasons, so not much of a difference.
Nope. The only way to do this fairly is with a 128 team playoff. Limit the upper division to 128 teams, put them all in a randomly seeded playoff bracket and go to it. That means the final two teams play 7 games in the Truly Fair Playoffs (tm).
Set it up by having a 4-5 game "regular season" where all schools get to play traditional rivals (USC/ND, Army/Navy, Red River Shootout, WLOCP, tOSU/Michigan, Bedlam, Civil War, etc) and a couple of other games to get tuned up for the playoffs.
Anything else is just glorified poll voting. Division 1 college football has too many teams to determine who gets into the playoffs in any kind of a fair manner, so put them all in. The regular season is going to me meaningless soon anyway, so go whole hog and give us a fair playoff to settle it on the field.
What? You say teams will lose money that way? Is that what the playoffs is about? Well, fcuk it. Let's just watch the NFL.
128 teams is way overkill. Basketball has 64 and probably more DI teams. And no sixteen seed will ever win it all, even though it is always controversial as to who gets the at large bids.
As for teams making millions on home games, not many do. Big time college football teams do not make most of their revenue on gate.
Is it 1950? wrote:
Pretty cool how you call them "Felony State University" because they have a black quarterback. Enlightened attitude.
Someone hasn't been following the FSU situation lately. The other two teams mentioned have black QBs too, they weren't referred to as felons, just the team with the felon leading it.
It's funny that if there was a BCS this year, not only would it have been FSU vs Alabama, but there probably wouldn't have been much controversy about it either. Sure a few folks in Oregon would have been miffed, but I doubt anyone nationally would have cried foul on behalf of the Ducks, Ohio State, Baylor or TCU being more deserving than Alabama since the SEC is annually perceived to be so great. And since FSU was undefeated, there would be no controversy with them in the title game.
Crazy thing is though, I don't think either FSU or Alabama would beat TCU either. And honestly, I have my doubts that FSU would be competitive against Baylor or Michigan State as well. Basically, FSU might be the 7th best team this year. Despite that, I think they did belong in the four team playoff. We really didn't know objectively until we saw the results in the Rose Bowl. And I think anyone who goes undefeated in a major conference (ACC is technically a major conference) and schedules Florida, Oklahoma State, and Notre Dame for non-con deserves to be in. Not their fault those three teams were down a bit. Basically, FSU did everything they could be have a quality schedule and beat every team on it until they got into the playoff.
Probably the least deserving (not worst, just least deserving based on regular season accomplishments) was Alabama. Of course, the committee had them #1. They had to be in too though. Just for no other reason than if they weren't in the playoff, the South would secede from the Union again, and there would be another Civil War. Even worse, no matter who won the playoff, if a team from the SEC wasn't involved, all we would hear about is that Alabama was still the best team and the 2014 SEC West could compete in the NFL, etc etc etc. It's nice that Alabama was allowed in so that the could lose to a Big Ten team and put an exclamation point on the SEC West's dismal bowl season.
Jerome the Metronome wrote:
It's funny that if there was a BCS this year, not only would it have been FSU vs Alabama, but there probably wouldn't have been much controversy about it either. Sure a few folks in Oregon would have been miffed, but I doubt anyone nationally would have cried foul on behalf of the Ducks, Ohio State, Baylor or TCU being more deserving than Alabama since the SEC is annually perceived to be so great. And since FSU was undefeated, there would be no controversy with them in the title game.
Crazy thing is though, I don't think either FSU or Alabama would beat TCU either. And honestly, I have my doubts that FSU would be competitive against Baylor or Michigan State as well. Basically, FSU might be the 7th best team this year. Despite that, I think they did belong in the four team playoff. We really didn't know objectively until we saw the results in the Rose Bowl. And I think anyone who goes undefeated in a major conference (ACC is technically a major conference) and schedules Florida, Oklahoma State, and Notre Dame for non-con deserves to be in. Not their fault those three teams were down a bit. Basically, FSU did everything they could be have a quality schedule and beat every team on it until they got into the playoff.
Probably the least deserving (not worst, just least deserving based on regular season accomplishments) was Alabama. Of course, the committee had them #1. They had to be in too though. Just for no other reason than if they weren't in the playoff, the South would secede from the Union again, and there would be another Civil War. Even worse, no matter who won the playoff, if a team from the SEC wasn't involved, all we would hear about is that Alabama was still the best team and the 2014 SEC West could compete in the NFL, etc etc etc. It's nice that Alabama was allowed in so that the could lose to a Big Ten team and put an exclamation point on the SEC West's dismal bowl season.
Pretty much agree with all of this. Also, you made my day with the Gattaca reference in your name.
We would love to have a fair competitive playoff system developed for college football. When do you think that will happen?
Currently the so-called "Playoffs" and "national championship" is in name only. We need a real old-fashioned NCAA 64 team brackets for college football.
Yes, we all remember the ridiculous LSU/Alabama rematch, when Alabama loss the first time on their own field and had no offense what so ever !
The new 4 team playoffs robbed the SEC of another easy championship "win."
jiojfojc wrote:
Is it 1950? wrote:Pretty cool how you call them "Felony State University" because they have a black quarterback. Enlightened attitude.
Someone hasn't been following the FSU situation lately. The other two teams mentioned have black QBs too, they weren't referred to as felons, just the team with the felon leading it.
I know it is hard for someone of your abilities, but to be a felon, one must be convicted of a felony. To be convicted one must be charged of a felony. To be charged with a felony, one must be arrested.