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Ventolin you are my favorite. Never stop.

"what part of your peabrain can't comprehend 1st sample which tested +ve was neglected & transported in 100++ temperatures for few days in boot of car"

A car trunk can reach 140 F in just a few minutes.

& you can't read or think

it has been suggested this tt was when bernie was a ~ 3'37 guy

utter drivel

no athlete is in same 400/800 shape even in consecutive years

in '01 or '04 bernie maya been in 46+ or 47+, reason why i asked, & anywhere between 1'41-low/mid to 1'42-low/mid shape

however in '06, i'm pretty sure he was down to 48-high/49-low & 1'44+/1'45+ as lotta speed loss

every top guy has an idea of his 400/800 ability in his peak years, especially if 800 or 1500 was his main event

fool

how can i reject an answer when there has never been any serious one ever posted apart from some college guy who claims to know him from embryonic days

however, someone suggested 46.8 shape in those 3'37 days

that is incredible speed already, considering he ended up 3'26+ & it's not possible for all of that to have come from endurance improvements alone

more nonsense

hicham beat him virtually every race, but brussels '01 he caught bernie's foot on last bend killing his speed

bernie couda won that race meaning was close to 3'26.00wr

in '04 zurich, pace was crazy with 53+ opener & bernie only running tactical

he was certainly capable of helluva long way below 3'27 if no-hicham there & chasing clock off 55's repeated to bell

utter drivel

you clearly never saw zurich-'04

unfortunately for bernie, he left his peak shape in zurich & off it in athens, which i saw inside the stadium at near mid-night local time

ventolin^3 wrote:

brussels '01 he caught bernie's foot on last bend killing his speed

Complete bs.

no

fool

each query is case specific to a particular point in time

cram wasn't even in great 800 shape early-'85, even losing to coe who got hammered by cruz later on

same cruz who got hammered by cram just 4/7 earlier

cram though obviously shoudn't have run v coe in that early season 800 as he dnf'ed his prior 2 races with injury

fool

learn to think

i don't even want to know cram's fully-rested 400 for early july-'85, not even mid-july

i want to know his fully rested 400 shape for

late-july - late-august

in his races during that period

that is level of info required

fool

does your peabrain think bernie was inferior to chirchir who ran

1'43.33 then 3'29.29 coupla years later ???

what does your peabrain think bernie couda done when in 3'26+ ???

or once again, baala who was always a 1500 guy, in his 1st serious 800 & to show how serious he was for 800, he left it until absolute last 800 of year in rieti & no oslo/rome/stockholm/london/zurich/brussels 800s at all & only 3'32.0sb & 3'31.9pb from year before

fool

no one expected baala to crack 1'45 in rieti beforehand

he ran 1'43.15 !!!

fool

repeatedly told you

silva was so far back when big-guys took off, his marginal faster 800 meant nothing

like i said, i have no doubt he couda gone 1'43 / 3'28/3'29 that day in paced to bell tt in zurich

utter drivel

he was always a 1500 guy who occasionally ran 800s

'99 - 3'30.88 / 1'46.7 !

'00 - 3'30.36 / 1'46.6 !!!

he was crap at '800s

at his pb peak of '02 :

3'30.07 / 1'44.91

his 800s had got some semblance of respect compared to 1500, but he was NEVER a 800/1500 guy you fool

he peaked for athens

he was probably in best shape a euro has ever been for 1500

i have little doubt he couda run 3'28+ that day

complete utter drivel

when on earth does 3'26 = 12'53 ability ???

bernie had "whiplash" physique, although not tall

a body-form tiger himself claims to have & compares his "whiplash" to beamon & hearns

for a middle-distancer, bernie had that same

absolute cracking surge of speed from nothing

you are some serious dumbfuuck

did you not see '06-london where bernie cremated runt with a 50+ in a 12'59 ???

ventolin^3 wrote:

did you not see '06-london where bernie cremated runt with a 50+ in a 12'59 ???

Your obsession with men's physiques does indicate an element of homoeroticism is present within your psyche...

ukathleticscoach wrote:If Lagat had gone through the bell in 50 or faster he would have blown up

utter drivel

bernie when well past 1500 prime crushed kennster in 50.9 in a 12'59

so 50+ was never a speed problem considering final clocking

you have no clue how bernie wouda hung onto a smoothly paced 49-high/50-flat in '01 or '04

at worst 1'42-low/mid

at best 1'41-low/mid !

& he never trained for 800 !!

eh ???

where did i ever claim this ???

damn well i do

more than any guy in last 40y+ since Ryun

he had the most whiplash speed i ever saw at 1500/5k

damn well i do

just like hicham, noah, geb, kennster, asbel, silas, baala, silva, cacho, etc who have no "proper" 400 pbs

1 i'd most like to see is ivan heskho who ran 3'30-flat with a body which looked 5 - 10 pound too muscle packed/bulky to run 1500

that guy shouda run 1'42-low at worst if running 800s instead of 1500 off just his 1500 training

if he'd actually shed 5 -10 pounds of bulk for 1500/800 ???

idiot

that calculator from whoever, called

mo-3'28

did your peabrain ???

no

stoopidity is placing pre-conceived limits

anyone who was an adult in '78 & saw coe run 1'43.9 live on tv wouda told you it was absolute drivel to believe this runt couda ever broken 1'42 !!!

just too runt

but he got a track no one had ever heard of for "proper" meets & timing which took forever to be posted

your peabrain shouda learnt that you don't put constraints unless you have very big reason

no he didn't wrote:

ventolin^3 wrote:

brussels '01 he caught bernie's foot on last bend killing his speed

Complete bs

utter drivel

again you fail to watch

at 3'04 into race, bernie accelerates & attempts to pass but his lead foot/hicham's back foot clash, killing bernie's momentum & at those exalted speeds, bernie lost his chance to overtake

Did you forget that you already responded to my post days ago, on page one? You are the biggest blowhard on this site. You see no possible perspective other than your own. Even in the face of countless logical detractors, you believe in presenting fantasy as fact. There was only what was. There is only what there is. There will be only what will be.

Please take a break from letsrun. A long break. It will be good for you.

ventolin^3 wrote:

ukathleticscoach wrote:If Lagat had gone through the bell in 50 or faster he would have blown up

utter drivel

bernie when well past 1500 prime crushed kennster in 50.9 in a 12'59

so 50+ was never a speed problem considering final clocking

you have no clue how bernie wouda hung onto a smoothly paced 49-high/50-flat in '01 or '04

at worst 1'42-low/mid

at best 1'41-low/mid !

& he never trained for 800 !!

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There is a big difference between doing one 50.9 last lap off a flying start and 2

So why did he never run 800's at his peak (according to you) as he was always 2nd to El G at 1500. Also why did he not train for 800's or at least do more of them he would have got a WR off your nonsense times

at worst 1'42-low/mid

at best 1'41-low/mid !

You are the only person in the world who thinks this, including Lagat.

2009 1:46.84 Lausanne 07 JUL

2005 1:47.07 Kingston, JAM 07 MAY

2004 1:46.96 Walnut, CA 18 APR

2003 1:46.00 Berlin 10 AUG

2002 1:46.90 Palo Alto, CA 30 MAR

2000 1:46.85 Helsinki 15 JUN

1999 1:46.06 Köln 08 AUG

1998 1:46.02 Paris 29 JUL

How can a 1:41/2 runner consistently run 4 seconds + slower. He ran 1:46.02 just 2 weeks after his 3:26.34 at his peak

hear you go wrote:

Did you forget that you already responded to my post days ago, on page one? You are the biggest blowhard on this site. You see no possible perspective other than your own. Even in the face of countless logical detractors, you believe in presenting fantasy as fact. There was only what was. There is only what there is. There will be only what will be.

Please take a break from letsrun. A long break. It will be good for you.

+1

Yes, please.

Who is this Benie guy?

While some may disagree with Ventolin's exact prediction of 1:41, surely we all agree that Lagat could have run 800m far faster than his official PB? Didn't he close a 1500m in 1:47?

Frabbit wrote:

While some may disagree with Ventolin's exact prediction of 1:41, surely we all agree that Lagat could have run 800m far faster than his official PB? Didn't he close a 1500m in 1:47?

By some do you mean everyone except trolls, and is 1:44 almost exactly 1:41 !

coachkritter wrote:

Who is this Benie guy?

He's got electric boots

When you run one 800 a year, it's very easy to underperform. Look at a guy like Manzano who always displayed amazing sprint finishes in 1500s. Everyone always thought he must have a fast 800 hiding under there, but he consistently would run 1:46-7 when he gave it a try. Then one day he pops a 1:44.

There is no way 3:26 Lagat wouldn't DESTROY Manzano at 800. I mean, you see Lagat running these 1:46s but then he closed a 1500 at that pace! And the pacing wasn't even quite ideal in that final 800. He and Hicham were capable of a 1:45mid/high close that day. These are NOT 1:44 guys! I think 1:42mid is absolutely reasonable assumption for Lagat's 800 ability at his peak.

You can't only look at what people have run for an event when trying to estimate their true ability. Manzano always had that 1:44 ability underneath, but until he ran it we had no absolute proof. He easily could have just never popped one and his PB would still be 1:46-47, and the people saying he had 1:44 speed would be called "idiots living in a fantasy," but they would be correct!

All Ventolin is trying to do is assess what Lagat was really capable of at his peak. Why is that so difficult for some people? It's as if we all just watched a guy close a 4:00 mile in 53, and Ventolin is saying "ok clearly this guy could run several seconds faster," and everyone else is like "nope he's a 4:00 guy and that's it." You people need to use your brains and stop being inwardly butthurt and afraid that people might get "credit" for times they didn't run. We're just using facts to have fun speculating about great athletes' ability. If Lagat had never run under 1:48, it wouldn't change anything about what I think about his real 800 potential.

If ventolin presented himself the way you did, there would be far less disdain for him. He is not here for the fun of discussion. Have you not read any of his belligerent posts over the years?