Is there anyone who still believes that Lagat never took EPO?

Ventoisatard wrote:

Vento is a tard. Lagat ran under 1:47 to close in Athens because of EPO.

Too bad Silva was so far behind coming up on the last lap. Might have been a different story that day had he had more confidence. Watch the vid, he really moved up a long way.

So, you give gap-closing Silva a clean bill of heath. Butt, Lagat going sub 1:47 proves EPO.

I think he took a tiny amount once, enough that his "A" sample tested positive. Not enough for both an A and B sample to test positive.

ukathleticsoach wrote:

Tyrannosaurus Rexing wrote:

Oh coach, I'm really disappointed in you. If you're gonna play THAT game.....

Then surely you think "your boy" Mo is doped to the gills, too, correct? He ran 3:28 off of distance training, and a ONE TIME shot at the 1500.

Well?

12:99 100m / 3:28 1500m = EPO

and to Ventolin Rui Silva also ran 1:46 for that last 800m could he also do 1:42/13! 1:44 high I put Bernie at 1:44 low at best

In nearly 20 years Bernie never ran faster than 1:46 in an 800m, Seb Coe could run 1:45 at any time of the year Bernie had plenty of chances to run faster. Everyone knows El G was on EPO and Bernie was just behind him

Exactly this. Spot on with your analysis of their 800 ability.

It's EPO that enables a 1:45 800 guy run 3:26.

Klean Bill of Health wrote:

Ventoisatard wrote:

Vento is a tard. Lagat ran under 1:47 to close in Athens because of EPO.

Too bad Silva was so far behind coming up on the last lap. Might have been a different story that day had he had more confidence. Watch the vid, he really moved up a long way.

So, you give gap-closing Silva a clean bill of heath. Butt, Lagat going sub 1:47 proves EPO.

He doesn't actually state that he believes Silva to be clean. He simply says that he was finishing the fastest and may have done some damage had he been nearer the front at the bell.

IMO most of the finalists (including Silva) were very likely all on EPO.

samplesdontlie wrote:

I think he took a tiny amount once, enough that his "A" sample tested positive. Not enough for both an A and B sample to test positive.

Not possible. Two sample collector who have be a bigger f***up than they are already known to be: leaving a sample in a hot car trunk for a few days. To allow an athlete to give two entirely different samples would be a reason to fire the sample collector.

Running historian wrote:Clayton ran 02'09''xx at Fukuoka so his Antwerp record was most likely legit

no

that's rubbish

wiki even gives lineage without antwerp from clayton's 2"09'36 in '67

impressive !!!

( i had to do cudgel figures myself before )

2:09:28.8 Ron Hill United Kingdom July 23, 1970 Edinburgh, Scotland ARRS[42]

2:09:12 Ian Thompson United Kingdom January 31, 1974 Christchurch, New Zealand ARRS[42]

2:09:05.6 Shigeru So Japan February 5, 1978 Beppu-Ōita Marathon ARRS[42]

2:09:01 Gerard Nijboer Netherlands April 26, 1980 Amsterdam Marathon ARRS[42]

shorter ran fukouka '72 in 2"10'30 less than 1'00 behind clayton's course record & that was in december having got gold placed around his neck just few weeks earlier

i doubt shorter was in top-shape in fukouka off gold, despite repeat wins

hill & thompson were best M talents of early '70s by far

former too ole for munich, other too fragile

no one who saw the tall, magnificent, thompson on tv, live in '74, doubted he was best M'er to have lived, until maybe lopes/jones in mid-'80s

Ooh ooh ooh, I say no. Am I late to the party?

fool

how many times your peabrain have to be told it was for "superstars" after track season on cold looking day

where was wind reading ???

did he run it with

- 5m/s

???

where was RT ?

did he run with

0.75s RT ???

silva was never close enough to challenge

he left the 2

colussess

alone

if your peabrain coud think :

i have little doubt silva was in

1'42-mid/high / 3'28-low/mid

i'm sure your peabrain thinks rui was inferior to ronnie who has run 3'28.8 ?

with baala who ran 1'43.1 when only 3'30+

how fuucking dumb are you ???

go fetch his 800 best in euro season in '01 or '04

so couda 20 other guys +++

fool

go fetch bernie's 800s in '01 or '04 in europe

can Letsrun send this dumbfuucker's IP address to hicham's lawyer please ???!!!

oh yes, I forgot how they do things in modern drug testing. dolt. clearly you've never been tested in OR out of international competition. They (samples) go in diff glass jars, w/ tamperproof lids, IN THE SAME BOX. There are typically two cylindrical spaces in the center of a large square styrofoam piece which has been sliced in half. you (the athlete) place the jars in the styro, the collector places the styro top half on , closes the box, & seals it. it was in the same box, you buffoon.

well,. wrote:

lukewarm excrement. wrote:

here's the thing, everyone is so quick to point out the hot trunk- buuuuuut, if that's the case, then why didn't the B sample also give the same "flawed" result that the A sample did? it's not like the tester took the B sample inside where it was nice & air conditioned, those samples are locked up inside the same box, undergoing the same exact conditions. so if the heat affected the A sample so greatly, why did it not do the same exact thing, to the same exact urine, that just so happened to be in the same box, 2 inches away in a different container labeled "B sample,"???? I don't even know which way I lean on lagat, I just know that question has vexed me for years.

It wasn´t in the same box, idiot.

Along with the other thousand people who think the same. He failed an A sample and El G's training partenrs got done for EPO. You are luck not to get banned with the above, but swearing demonstrates a lack of intellect as well as class.

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I put Lagat at a sensible 1:44 your 1:42 for him shows a lack of track knowledge.

Bernardina Lagatova wrote:

It's not "even Kenyans cheat", now it's "ESPECIALLY Kenyans cheat."

All those tainted AR's....

No one with this thing called "A LIFE" gives a flying fuuck.

Competive Pro Running is no different than Pro Cycling. You can assume that everyone at the top is doped. There is a reason it isn't a popular sport and no one cares but white nerds on an obscure running board. Get a clue.

"No one with this thing called "A LIFE" gives a flying fuuck. ... Get a clue."

You're commenting to a jealous masters runner who is about to have "his" records crushed by Lagat. The dude is over 40: there is hope this fool will ever get a clue.