"Bernie "Braces" Lagat is as guilty as Lance, Jones, etc. Don't why people continue to deny it."
you misspelled Rupp
"Bernie "Braces" Lagat is as guilty as Lance, Jones, etc. Don't why people continue to deny it."
you misspelled Rupp
The braces thing seems to be a false flag. It wouldn't surprise me if Kenya had more sub 2:10 Marathoners than orthodontists (I remember when Ciaran O'Lionaird got braces and said he realized that doing so gives an iffy impression--of course I don't think O Lionaird is doping, but the point is, even in Europe stuff like that isn't so common).
What is more troubling is the picture that is beginning to form in Kenya. What if Lagat used to dope but sort of just rode his talent and the physiological changes after his emigration? In addition, there is the haunting fact that he is the second fastest man ever over 1500m, second to (and in the same era as) El G. To be honest, in my fervent naïveté I am not convinced that either doped. But people seem utterly convinced that El G did. If him, then why not Lagat? Did Lagat luck out and just get dragged along by the perfect pacer?
I hope these results make the impact they seem to portend
Hmmm... you could have described Mo Farah... but no worries about Mo, right?
Anyone still thinking el guerrouj was clean needs a brain transplant
Lagat hasn't been clean for 20 years
Mo'da Boi wrote:
Hmmm... you could have described Mo Farah... but no worries about Mo, right?
Wait, how did any of that describe Mo? (I'm not trying to be abrasive, I don't see the connection in this instance).
And this was a conversation about Lagat so I talked about Lagat, I'll leave allusions to Farah and Rupp in other discussions
Read the RE to your post.
"RE: A top British athlete has escaped a doping inquiry"
Flo'da boy wrote:
The braces thing seems to be a false flag. It wouldn't surprise me if Kenya had more sub 2:10 Marathoners than orthodontists (I remember when Ciaran O'Lionaird got braces and said he realized that doing so gives an iffy impression--of course I don't think O Lionaird is doping, but the point is, even in Europe stuff like that isn't so common).
What is more troubling is the picture that is beginning to form in Kenya. What if Lagat used to dope but sort of just rode his talent and the physiological changes after his emigration? In addition, there is the haunting fact that he is the second fastest man ever over 1500m, second to (and in the same era as) El G. To be honest, in my fervent naïveté I am not convinced that either doped. But people seem utterly convinced that El G did. If him, then why not Lagat? Did Lagat luck out and just get dragged along by the perfect pacer?
I hope these results make the impact they seem to portend
Agree with you completely. And on Lagat's braces - yes, if an American-born athlete got braces as an adult, that would be another story. Lomong also has a gap in his teeth, it wouldn't be a red flag if he wore braces either.
Mo'da Boi wrote:
Read the RE to your post.
"RE: A top British athlete has escaped a doping inquiry"
Oh my bad, haha
guys,
the unfortunate truth is that they all cheat.
its cool that you think they are all clean.
but they all find their way.
lagat got caught but has a great publicist, he's a doper.
its too pervasive to ignore.
big reason why the general public laughs off track and field.
What is the point of a B sample if the public is going to find you guilty regardless?
Bernardina Lagatova wrote:
It's not "even Kenyans cheat", now it's "ESPECIALLY Kenyans cheat."
All those tainted AR's....
Flo'da boy wrote:
What is more troubling is the picture that is beginning to form in Kenya. What if Lagat used to dope but sort of just rode his talent and the physiological changes after his emigration? In addition, there is the haunting fact that he is the second fastest man ever over 1500m, second to (and in the same era as) El G. To be honest, in my fervent naïveté I am not convinced that either doped. But people seem utterly convinced that El G did. If him, then why not Lagat? Did Lagat luck out and just get dragged along by the perfect pacer?
I hope these results make the impact they seem to portend
fast era , eh?
1 3:26.00 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Roma 14.07.1998
2 3:26.12 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Bruxelles 24.08.2001
3 3:26.34 Bernard Lagat KEN 12.12.74 2 Bruxelles 24.08.2001
4 3:26.45 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1rA Zürich 12.08.1998
5 3:26.89 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1rA Zürich 16.08.2002
6 3:26.96 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Rieti 08.09.2002
7 3:27.21 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1rA Zürich 11.08.2000
8 3:27.34 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Monaco 19.07.2002
I am sure some of the folks spinning blood in Beaverton, and possibly Lance.
Don't forget the Machiavellian maneuvering that Kippy did to compete for Kenya in '04, even though he was an American citizen (unbeknownst to the AK), and how he got Seneca Lassiter in hot water with the USATF for using him as a pacer in a team race.
Yep, Bernie is an oldie, but a smoothie ;-)
Flo'da boy wrote:
In addition, there is the haunting fact that he is the second fastest man ever over 1500m, second to (and in the same era as) El G. To be honest, in my fervent naïveté I am not convinced that either doped. But people seem utterly convinced that El G did. If him, then why not Lagat? Did Lagat luck out and just get dragged along by the perfect pacer?
Yes, essentially. Obviously he was very good, but his great times were a result of being in races with El G, who just set things up for fast time trials again and again. Without El G, I don't think Lagat ever breaks 3:27. It's like how the 2nd fastest mile of all time was by a guy who lost to El G, or all the PRs that people set in the London 800.
here\'s the thing, everyone is so quick to point out the hot trunk- buuuuuut, if that\'s the case, then why didn\'t the B sample also give the same \"flawed\" result that the A sample did? it\'s not like the tester took the B sample inside where it was nice & air conditioned, those samples are locked up inside the same box, undergoing the same exact conditions. so if the heat affected the A sample so greatly, why did it not do the same exact thing, to the same exact urine, that just so happened to be in the same box, 2 inches away in a different container labeled \"B sample,\"???? I don\'t even know which way I lean on lagat, I just know that question has vexed me for years.
WOW that is a great question lukewarm exrement!
Look, Lagat is a great "family man" (whatever that means?) we get it....
Ok but he doped. I never thought of that. Wouldn't the B sample come back and show the mysterious EPO metabolites that simply and magically appeared from this chemically awesome car?
Bernie has one man to thank, well maybe two. James Templeton and an AWESOME lawyer. These new reports of how shady the IAAF is? HA! Can you imagine what they'd do for back room dealing? Let ALONE 'Athletics Kenya'
Give me a break. Dude is freaking fast. Dude is crazy blessed. Don't be a naive minuscule human and actually contend the dude is clean or ever has been. He MAY be now.....that is if he doesn't microdope in the offseason or when he's in Germany. (It's always those great German doctors, isn't it?!)
Question for the naive people that think BL did NOT dope ever in his career:
What would BL have run doped? 3:22.89? LOL think about that hypothetical right there for one moment and you'll finally realize....
lukewarm excrement. wrote:
here's the thing, everyone is so quick to point out the hot trunk- buuuuuut, if that's the case, then why didn't the B sample also give the same "flawed" result that the A sample did? it's not like the tester took the B sample inside where it was nice & air conditioned, those samples are locked up inside the same box, undergoing the same exact conditions. so if the heat affected the A sample so greatly, why did it not do the same exact thing, to the same exact urine, that just so happened to be in the same box, 2 inches away in a different container labeled "B sample,"???? I don't even know which way I lean on lagat, I just know that question has vexed me for years.
It wasn´t in the same box, idiot.
OZZIEOYOYOY wrote:
What would BL have run doped? 3:22.89? LOL think about that hypothetical right there for one moment and you'll finally realize....
By your same logic, if Lagat doped he would have run no faster than 3:30.89 clean... slower than Nick Willis, Alan Webb, barely faster than Manzano...
But you probably think 100% of them are doped so it doesn't matter.
just sayin wrote:
Anyone still thinking el guerrouj was clean needs a brain transplant
Lagat hasn't been clean for 20 years
Anyone who makes their judgments based on likelihoods instead of facts needs a brain transplant, just sayin'.
Innocent until proven guilty.
Until a governing body finds evidence that causes them to nullify El Guerrouj's or Lagat's performances, then they're not definitely cheating. Innocent until proven guilty.
Furthermore, consider this: If El Guerrouj doped and ran 3:26.00, then he was already so talented that he would have beaten everybody on the scene at the time except maybe Morceli himself...and even that's not certain. So what motive did he have to cheat?
'Here is a question you MUST answer: where are all of the other positive tests for Lagat?'
Really! Where are the other positives for Lance, Jones etc
Its interesting that when you mishandle a sprinters sample it produces a steriod, mishandle an endurance athlete and it produces EPO
1:46 800m + 3:26 1500m = EPO