Texas A&M and LSU

mini me wrote:Though I will go on a limb and predict South Carolina beats Clemson

Not a chance if DeShaun Watson plays unless Spurrier recruits an entirely new secondary.

Kentucky beats Louisville later this season

In Louisville, against one of the better defenses in the country? No thanks.

LSU already beat a team that was ranked.

Was. As in "not currently". As in "probably not again this season".

South Carolina beat East Carolina & Georgia btw... Then Kentucky beat them.

Auburn won on the road against the team that just beat #11 Oklahoma on the road. Mississippi St cruised past Auburn. Alabama beat the team that just beat #4 Baylor by 14. Ole Miss beat Alabama.

The transitive property does not work in college football. Or any sport for that matter.

I can play that game too:

South Carolina beat Georgia

Missouri beat South Carolina

Indiana beat Missouri

Iowa beat Indiana

Iowa State beat Iowa

North Dakota State beat Iowa State

Obviously the Bison are better than Georgia.

seccer wrote:

And for the respectable non-conference games, those games were scheduled years in advance when some of those teams were actually good. A few years ago when Georgia scheduled Boise State for this year, or Alabama scheduled WV, those teams were actually decent. Same with Arkansas scheduling Texas Tech.

Yeah, that's the problem with OOC schedules in college football - you can schedule good programs, but you have no idea if they'll be Top 10 type teams that year because you have to do it years in advance. If you play 10+ games against SEC/P12/B12/B1G/ACC teams or Notre Dame/BYU, though, chances are pretty good you'll usually play at least one Top 15 caliber teams along the way.

Oklahoma is overrated again this year. Funny to watch them lose to K state because their kicker can't hit a chip shot, whether a PAT or FG.

Okay. When the SEC doesn't come out on top against the majority of other power conference teams, then I'll admit I'm wrong. HINT: this won't happen. It hasn't so far this year, it won't happen later this year. It hasn't happened in recent history.

As far as the whole "currently ranked" vs " used to be ranked" argument. That will occur ALL season long. You sure Wisconsin won't finish in the top 20? I get the feeling you don't know much about college football. You seem to a "IN the moment" person. Your analysis doesn't appear to be from actually watching the games. If you do, I don't know what you are seeing but I'm confident you're wrong.

There's a lot of football left to be played. All the SEC West teams have to play each other. So Alabama, A&M, Auburn, Miss St, Ole Miss, and LSU all have games against each other. A few of those teams will end up with 2 or 3 losses because of that. And then the SEC west champ will have to play the SEC east champ which will probably be a one-loss Georgia team that is very good.

True. And someone will HAVE to lose those games. Doesn't mean they aren't the real top teams. I think the playoff should be the top 16. BTW, the SEC West champion WILL beat Georgia. Period. Count on it.

for anyone watching the BYU-Nevada game: Ouch. That was looking like SUCH a great comeback, too! Good game, and good effort.

The only OOC games they even play are non-FSU ACC teams (Clemson) and overrated Big 12 teams. No SEC team has beaten an OOC team currently ranked better than 14th or played one in the top 10. The Big 12 is almost as inbred but at least sent Oklahoma State to face FSU.

The Pac-12 has beaten Michigan State and played Notre Dame, both better teams than any SEC OOC opponent by far. And it still has two Notre Dame games to go.

Don't drag the past into it. The rankings are about right now, not ancient history.

But it's worth mentioning their bowls are mostly meaningless SEC-meets-Big-12 and SEC-meets-ACC-team-other-than-FSU, just like their regular season OOC games.

you concede defeat.

I'm curious what you guys would have as your top teams?

IMO the top 4 teams, based on games to date, would be something like this:

1. Ole Miss

2. Mississippi State

3. Florida State

4. Alabama

And then the best of the rest (order debatable):

Georgia, Notre Dame, Oregon, Auburn.

Michigan State and TCU would round out my Top 10.

Yes, that's a lot of SEC at the top... but, there wouldn't be much more noise from the SEC unless you include LSU, and the Big 12 and Pac-12 both catches up or passes them in depth.

Baf Wigins

You stink at discussing college football. Just saying. Let's get to your babble...

I will start with the PAC 12. They have won 1 quality OOC game. Oregon beat MSU. Their teams "playing" Notre Dame means nothing if they don't win. ASU & USC will both lose to ND. USC already lost to BOSTON COLLEGE. No, BC isn't that good. USC is just overrated. BC couldn't pull it out against Clemson or lowly Pitt. Talk about overranked, how about Stanford?

The thing is, you are too stupid to make intelligent comments about this topic, but you do anyway. You think it's trivial West Virginia can beat Baylor by 14 but can't beat Alabama. You think it's trivial Kansas St can beat Oklahoma but loses to Auburn at home. You display ignorance by claiming the past means nothing when EVERY year similar idiots say the same and continually get proven wrong. The SEC laughs at other conferences. As for their bowls... The SEC has the most BCS bowl game wins, the highest BCS bowl game winning percentage and by FAR the most BCS title game wins. Last year's game was the ONLY time a non-SEC team won over an SEC opponent in the title game. And it took a last second td to do it. God, you have to have a mental handicap. You can name NO other conferences with the same success and be correct. Dunce.

mini me wrote:Okay. When the SEC doesn't come out on top against the majority of other power conference teams, then I'll admit I'm wrong. HINT: this won't happen. It hasn't so far this year, it won't happen later this year. It hasn't happened in recent history.

. But, you know, Alabama wasn't trying because it wasn't the championship game.

As far as the whole "currently ranked" vs " used to be ranked" argument. That will occur ALL season long. You sure Wisconsin won't finish in the top 20? I get the feeling you don't know much about college football. You seem to a "IN the moment" person. Your analysis doesn't appear to be from actually watching the games. If you do, I don't know what you are seeing but I'm confident you're wrong.

Have you seen Wisconsin's quarterback play? Melvin Gordon can't carry them that far. They lose to at least to Nebraska, and probably at least 1 of Iowa/Minnesota, and potentially drop one to Maryland/Rutgers too. I mean...they have come off back to back games where they lost to Northwestern and barely beat perennial doormat Illiois. They probably finish with at least 4 losses, which shouldn't have them ranked.

I chuckle at your assumption that I don't actually watch the games.

Reread what I said and then try to explain how Alabama losing the Sugar Bowl last year disproves it... I know the subtle difference between mostly and all may be too much for you. Alabama did win their 4 previous bowl games before that. They beat West Virginia this year. If you think WV isn't any good this year you haven't been watching the games or you watched but are still clueless. There is still no argument you have made that demonstrates the SEC isn't the best conference. The SEC has beaten the top teams from ALL other power conferences (and Notre Dame) during their reign of dominance. Just ask Oregon. Or Ohio State. And how did Oklahoma fair in their previous TWO national title game appearances, which were against SEC opponents?

Wisconsin had Joel Stave start last year when they were one of the better teams in the B10. Zero excuse. BTW, these games are scheduled years in advance. The SEC schedules games against marquee power conference opponents. They also meet them in bowl games. They win most of those games. This can't be refuted because it's reality. You may 'chuckle' about me suggesting you don't watch the games, but if you do... Dear goodness how could you be so wrong?

I'm pretty sure I specifically said "The SEC is the best conference". I just don't think they are in there own stratosphere as you and others seem to suggest.

Joel Stave also had a mental breakdown and has shown a strong tendency to thrown the ball to the wrong colored jersey (McEvoy has this problem also). He is not the player he was last year. Bottom line if you are an LSU fan and your signature win was when you managed to come back to beat Wisconsin because Melvin Gordon didn't play the 2nd half, it wasn't a good season.

Besides Tennessee going into Norman and Auburn playing in Manhattan, they are all at home or on a "neutral field" (which usually means in the backyard of the SEC team, including bowl games). I won't dispute they win most of these games, but besides bowl season most SEC teams don't really go out of their way to put themselves in a tough situation.

I also chuckle at your blind SEC homerism. I watch the games, including the SEC. The top 4 teams in the west are very good and all at least top 10 teams. Georgia is very good as well. But anyone who suggests that those 5 would dominate any non-SEC team are kidding themselves.

I'm suggesting the 4 top SEC West teams are the four best in the country. Florida St being #5. Since the SEC has 5 of the top 10, and as you and I agree, typically win against teams from other power conferences then the discussion need go no further as to the SEC clearly being the best conference.

I'm not an LSU fan. Far from it. However, go back in recent history and see how many non-conference games against power conference teams they have played and there record in those games. If you don't think they couldn't go toe-to-toe with the top teams even this year you are delusional. They are very young but very talented. For the record, my team is a B10 team who happens to stink this year, as does the conference.

So the B12 isn't that great, according to you. The ACC isn't great outside of Florida St, as you insinuated. I'm sure we can agree the B10 is just bad right now. I'd love to hear your argument for the P12 being close to the SEC. And yes, Auburn won in Manhattan, it doesn't matter where they play.

FitzyXC wrote:

I also chuckle at your blind SEC homerism. I watch the games, including the SEC. The top 4 teams in the west are very good and all at least top 10 teams. Georgia is very good as well. But anyone who suggests that those 5 would dominate any non-SEC team are kidding themselves.

This comment makes no sense. Why wouldn't a top 10 team dominate non-SEC teams? That's why they are top 10 teams. Because they dominate. Are you really suggesting that a top 10 team wouldn't dominate a number 20 team???

BTW, I suggest the top SEC would be dominate against non-SEC opponents because they usually are. This excuse of where the games are played is exactly that... Most of the games are at neutral locations. Each fan base has equal opportunity to purchase tickets. You think the people of Arlington are Alabama or LSU fans? If you are better than another team you go out their and prove it.

Auburn beat the Ducks in Glendale, Arizona for the BCS Title...

Florida State hasn't lost since November 2012. They are the defending champions. Jameis Winston is a better quarterback than anyone in the SEC. I give them the benefit of a couple of no-so-impressive outings. I'm not so sure Oregon isn't up there either, especially with a healthy offensive line. I'm still not sold on Mississippi State either. I have a feeling they get hosed in Tuscaloosa.

History is history. This year they have already gone toe to toe with top teams and got blown out of Jordan Hare, and were embarrassed for 3 quarters in their own building. They needed a massive red zone fail by Florida and a terrible Driskel interception to escape Gainsville with a victory. They aren't that good.

Where exactly did I say this? I think it is probably the 2nd best conference this year. And it's hard to disagree with Bob Stoops when he backs it up like he did last year.

Depth that is on par with or better than the SEC. Stanford is maybe the 3rd or 4th best team in their division and they almost beat Nortre Dame on the road. Arizona beats Oregon in Autzen which Michigan State couldn't do. The parity in the PAC-12 will probably hurt it in the eyes of the playoff committee (especially if Oregon loses again), but it doesn't mean the teams aren't good.

So home field advantage isn't a thing? That's news to me.

kkdk wrote:This comment makes no sense. Why wouldn't a top 10 team dominate non-SEC teams? That's why they are top 10 teams. Because they dominate. Are you really suggesting that a top 10 team wouldn't dominate a number 20 team???

Well West Virginia will be ranked about 20 after this weekend, and no, Alabama did not dominate them.

Anyway, I was referring to those who assume that they would easily beat Florida State/Oregon/Baylor/Michigan State/etc. They aren't that much better than everyone else.