[quote]Bad Wigins wrote:
Either one of the Klitschko's would have little trouble beating the past heavyweights on points. Vitaly had Lewis dead on his feet until he was stopped by the doctor for a cut.
Lewis was at the end of his career and still gave Klitschko a pretty good whupping.
Nice way to pull a quote out of context. Old era champs would have touched him.That fight was from 2003. He continued to improve and dominate. Can you think of any champ who defended his crown with more utter dominance. So this is Tyson that you think would beat him?? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kD9Cf_dAVdgTyson couldn't even jump up to reach his ear to bite.
Avocado's Number wrote:
BillyJack wrote:The Klitschko's were amazing tough skilled boxers who couldn't be touched
Here's Wladimir Klitschko being touched:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqEANlBbhsAI think that a young Tyson would have touched him even more.
make that old era champs would not have touched
Avocado's Number wrote:
BillyJack wrote:The Klitschko's were amazing tough skilled boxers who couldn't be touched
Here's Wladimir Klitschko being touched:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqEANlBbhsAI think that a young Tyson would have touched him even more.
Yup. Tyson would have absolutely destroyed him. How anyone could think otherwise is completely beyond me.
BillyJack wrote:
Nice way to pull a quote out of context. Old era champs would have touched him.
That fight was from 2003. He continued to improve and dominate.
Can you think of any champ who defended his crown with more utter dominance.
So this is Tyson that you think would beat him??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kD9Cf_dAVdgTyson couldn't even jump up to reach his ear to bite.
Good job being dishonest.
BillyJack wrote:
Nice way to pull a quote out of context. Old era champs would have touched him.
That fight was from 2003. He continued to improve and dominate.
Can you think of any champ who defended his crown with more utter dominance.
So this is Tyson that you think would beat him??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kD9Cf_dAVdgTyson couldn't even jump up to reach his ear to bite.
Avocado's Number wrote:Here's Wladimir Klitschko being touched:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqEANlBbhsAI think that a young Tyson would have touched him even more.
Nice job pulling in an out of context Tyson. Pretty sure the thread title was about fighters at the peak.
David Haye, even the giant Valuev, would have made mince meat out of the old boxers.I seriously don't even get how this is up for debate.Tyson would have even gotten killed by Haye and Valuev. Do you follow any of the recent boxing greats? Google either of these two fighters and learn something. And these guys aren't the best of the era.As far as the clip, the point being its easy to find a clip or match to try and make any boxer look real bad or real good.
Pointing Out the Obvious wrote:
BillyJack wrote:Nice way to pull a quote out of context. Old era champs would have touched him.
That fight was from 2003. He continued to improve and dominate.
Can you think of any champ who defended his crown with more utter dominance.
So this is Tyson that you think would beat him??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kD9Cf_dAVdgTyson couldn't even jump up to reach his ear to bite.
Nice job pulling in an out of context Tyson. Pretty sure the thread title was about fighters at the peak.
Pointing Out the Obvious wrote:
BillyJack wrote:Nice way to pull a quote out of context. Old era champs would have touched him.
That fight was from 2003. He continued to improve and dominate.
Can you think of any champ who defended his crown with more utter dominance.
So this is Tyson that you think would beat him??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kD9Cf_dAVdgTyson couldn't even jump up to reach his ear to bite.
Nice job pulling in an out of context Tyson. Pretty sure the thread title was about fighters at the peak.
Also, I specified "a young Tyson."
Unlike his brother, Vitali Klitschko managed to survive the first couple of rounds against Corrie Sanders, but he also came close to being floored in the first round by the overweight, out-of-shape Sanders.
Although a couple of people on this thread have asserted that the Klitschkos have excellent defensive skills, I'm not sure that those skills extend much beyond keeping their opponents at a long arm's reach and clinching when an opponent gets inside. In particular, I'm not sure that the Klitschkos are especially good at taking punishment. That was an often-overlooked quality of Ali. The guy didn't just dance around and avoid punches. He could also take a beating. That's one of the reasons that cause me to believe that Ali in his prime could defeat Tyson in his prime. I don't have that same level of confidence in either of the Klitschkos.
Tyson in his prime would beat them all. End of thread.
Teofilo Stevenson would have whupped them all, if Fidel would have let him
W Klitschko's record is 62-3 with 52 knockouts. He's 38 years and still champ. He hasn't lost a match in a number of years (I think at least 7).Most boxers at 38 are well over the hill and when they do fight, they just look sad.Where was Tyson at age 38? Where was Holmes? How old was Ali when the small and unskilled Leon Spinks destroyed him.
for 2 cents in a bucket wrote:
Tyson in his prime would beat them all. End of thread.
BillyJack wrote:
W Klitschko's record is 62-3 with 52 knockouts. He's 38 years and still champ. He hasn't lost a match in a number of years (I think at least 7).
Most boxers at 38 are well over the hill and when they do fight, they just look sad.
Where was Tyson at age 38? Where was Holmes? How old was Ali when the small and unskilled Leon Spinks destroyed him.
for 2 cents in a bucket wrote:Tyson in his prime would beat them all. End of thread.
Ummmm...pretty sure the thread was about folks at their peak. As a result, what other fighters were capable of at age 38 is about as relevant to the discussion as the outstanding issue of the color of a unicorn's horn.
BillyJack wrote:
The older Klitschko was huge, tough, and very skilled. I'm glad Ali or Frazier never had to fight to him. They might have gotten hurt. Frazier couldn't protect himself and if Ali ever tried rope-a-dope it would have been sad.
Despite what we were lead to believe Ali had no competition. Sony Liston was past his prime, George Foreman was big and strong but had no skills and Frazier always lead with his head. Ken Norton was tough but small and had no real boxing skill. Ali looked good because of weak opponents.
re: "Ali had no competition"
I am going to assume you are joking.
Loo wrote:
Tyson is overrated. Not a good fighter when he faced skilled heavyweights who could neutralize his attack. In all of his high profile loses (Douglas, Holyfield twice, Lennox) he was beaten senseless in virtually every round.
None of those fights took place during Tyson's peak. All took place post-1988, when he had fired his trainer, stopped training seriously, and was drinking and drugging to excess on a nearly daily basis.
During Tyson's peak, he won almost every minute of every round.
If a fighter so dominant at age 38, it tells you something about he greatness doesn't it.The Op didn't seem too interested in his thread has framed anyway. Threads do take on a life of there own and that's ok and is relevant. Klitschko's body of work is amazing.
Pointing Out the Obvious wrote:
BillyJack wrote:W Klitschko's record is 62-3 with 52 knockouts. He's 38 years and still champ. He hasn't lost a match in a number of years (I think at least 7).
Most boxers at 38 are well over the hill and when they do fight, they just look sad.
Where was Tyson at age 38? Where was Holmes? How old was Ali when the small and unskilled Leon Spinks destroyed him.
Ummmm...pretty sure the thread was about folks at their peak. As a result, what other fighters were capable of at age 38 is about as relevant to the discussion as the outstanding issue of the color of a unicorn's horn.
Name two great boxers he fought. It was all myth. You bought into it like most.Serious google Valuev, and he was not one of the current great ones.
TrackCoach wrote:
re: "Ali had no competition"
I am going to assume you are joking.
BillyJack wrote:
The older Klitschko was huge, tough, and very skilled. I'm glad Ali or Frazier never had to fight to him. They might have gotten hurt. Frazier couldn't protect himself and if Ali ever tried rope-a-dope it would have been sad.
Despite what we were lead to believe Ali had no competition. Sony Liston was past his prime, George Foreman was big and strong but had no skills and Frazier always lead with his head. Ken Norton was tough but small and had no real boxing skill. Ali looked good because of weak opponents.
Incredible. Ali fought in a period of many great heavyweights. When boxing was king and there was nothing bigger in sports than the heavyweight championship.
The Klitschkos fought in an era where there was not one great contender. Not one outstanding American heavyweight.
Yet you conclude the exact opposite.
[quote]Bad Wigins wrote:
Either one of the Klitschko's would have little trouble beating the past heavyweights on points. Vitaly had Lewis dead on his feet until he was stopped by the doctor for a cut.'
Saying someone would won but for cuts it like saying someone would win if only they had a big punch.
BillyJack wrote:
If a fighter so dominant at age 38, it tells you something about he greatness doesn't it.
The Op didn't seem too interested in his thread has framed anyway. Threads do take on a life of there own and that's ok and is relevant. Klitschko's body of work is amazing.
Pointing Out the Obvious wrote:Ummmm...pretty sure the thread was about folks at their peak. As a result, what other fighters were capable of at age 38 is about as relevant to the discussion as the outstanding issue of the color of a unicorn's horn.
You seem to be having trouble with the English language. What part of "what other fighters were capable of at age 38" do you not understand?
So many idiots on this thread: On his best day it's Ali period. The reason? He could adapt better than ANY of the above. This is one of those comparisons where you have to look at individual matchups and "likely win" or "win share" type metrics. On a given day most of these fighters could beat the other, but who wins most often, at their best, against all these styles? Ali from 1966-1967.
Regarding the Klitschko brothers: These two are just not athletic enough to handle Ali. Some of you referenced the rope a dope, Ali 1966-7, had yet to discover his rope a dope, and wouldn't have needed it against them, he would have moved so much, so quickly, hitting them from so many angels, both would have been stopped on cuts. Throw in he had one of the best chins in heavyweight history.