Why has no one mentioned JANAY hit RAY twice?

The NFL's new policy is domestic violence abuse the first infraction gets 6 games.

That should be Ray Rice's penalty or they should change the penalty for everyone.

suspension wrote:

The NFL's new policy is domestic violence abuse the first infraction gets 6 games.

That should be Ray Rice's penalty or they should change the penalty for everyone.

I think that you missed the fine print where they clearly stated:

14) a) ...except in the case where the domestic violence abuse is caught on video in which case the penalty shall be to ban the violator for life.

Serious question.

My friends 4 year-old kid kicked me in the shin twice the other day, so I punched him as hard as I possibly could sending him airborne and knocking him out. Why did I take all the blame? After all - he kicked me.

He's a professional football player. He's been taught dozens of techniques as to how to "defend" himself...blocking, tackling, etc. He makes a living physically engaging 300 pound men, so you are trying to tell me he had to "defend" himself against a frail, 130-pound woman? He could've done lots of things to squash the situation but he decided the best one was to punch her in the head.

Janay didn't do many things right that night, either, but she could've been subdued a lot easier than she was.

Stick to law and order reruns and quite playing attorney. Also stop beating your GF

Ooops wrote:

Agreed, I didn't know this thread was up. I posted something similar on the other Rice thread. She did in fact commit a felony, was clearly the instigator and the aggressor. But nobody wants to talk about that part. In a court of law they both would have been convicted of a felony.

I was brought up to believe that you never, ever hit a woman. It does need to be discussed when the woman hits the man several times, but it in no way means that he is not guilty of assault. It's obviously the case that a running back of his size could kill a woman with a punch. She should obviously have known that, however. Women often use fighting words, gestures, and even punches on men because they know that men (most men) will not retaliate the way they would if it was a man. But an unarmed woman in almost no cases is a considerable threat and so cannot be dealt with in the way you'd deal with a man.

xcbvxvbv wrote:

Serious question. Obviously, Ill preclude this by saying what Ray Rice did was terribly wrong and dangerous.

However, Janay hit him twice before he hit her. She was clearly coming across the elevator to hit him again when he punched her. Is this not also domestic abuse?

Why is it ok for women to hit men? If that was a 130 lbs man hitting ray rice and rice decked him people would be upvoting this on Reddit and he would be a tough guy.

So sick of the double standards...

Because she is a weak inferior woman that must be protected at all costs. They will try to convince you that women are the equal of men but we all know that is a bunch of BS.

Poor analogy. I wouldn't expect most 4 year olds to know any better. An adult woman, on the other hand, should know better than to use violence to deal with her problems. Perhaps you believe that women, intellectually and emotionally, are on the same level as a 4 year old when it comes to being held responsible for their actions. Seems like a pretty mysoginistic view to me. Of course Rice was wrong to punch her the way that he did but it's disappointing (though completely predictable) how the media and the NFL is choosing to completely turn a blind eye to the woman's actions.

crete wrote:

Serious question.

My friends 4 year-old kid kicked me in the shin twice the other day, so I punched him as hard as I possibly could sending him airborne and knocking him out. Why did I take all the blame? After all - he kicked me.

xcbvxvbv wrote:I am actually not saying what he did is ok.

What I am saying is that:

1) She provoked the punch from him by repeatedly hitting him. This is absolutely mitigating in my mind.

2) She also committed a crime, which no one will discuss.

Haha "what he did wasn't ok, and now let me tell you why it was ok""

atownrunnin wrote:

He's a professional football player. He's been taught dozens of techniques as to how to "defend" himself...blocking, tackling, etc. He makes a living physically engaging 300 pound men, so you are trying to tell me he had to "defend" himself against a frail, 130-pound woman? He could've done lots of things to squash the situation but he decided the best one was to punch her in the head.

Janay didn't do many things right that night, either, but she could've been subdued a lot easier than she was.

This. He could have easily "defended" himself in any other way-she's half his size! But no, he socks her like he is hitting another guy his size. Luckily she was not more seriously injured. I'm also in the boat that it is never ok to hit a woman and as a grown man and soon to be husband, he should have known better.

Haha what is the NFL supposed to do? Blame the victim? Are they supposed to say, look at the video. ..look how bad she's treating our football player employee.. she hit poor Mr. Rice. Umm I think the image of JANAY getting knocked out cold in the elevator and laying unconscious for what seems to be forever is going to trump whatever words u wanna say. Images are much less abstract than words. "A picture is worth a thousand words" The NFL should have known TMZ would get a copy and make their 2 game suspension look grossly inadequate.

USMC world's #1 war fighters wrote:

News reports this year state that the undisputed world's toughest military fighting men, the US Marines, have refused to strike females as they undergo grueling martial man-to-man fight training, both weaponless and with knives, spears, chains, batons, at Marines bases in California and North Carolina.

The Marines are not considered the toughest except within the Marines and possibly by the US population.

xcbvxvbv wrote:

Serious question. Obviously, Ill preclude this by saying what Ray Rice did was terribly wrong and dangerous.

However, Janay hit him twice before he hit her. She was clearly coming across the elevator to hit him again when he punched her. Is this not also domestic abuse?

Why is it ok for women to hit men? If that was a 130 lbs man hitting ray rice and rice decked him people would be upvoting this on Reddit and he would be a tough guy.

So sick of the double standards...

Someone should hit you.....TWICE!

Was she named after my girlfriend?

I would never hit a woman first, but physically assault me and I could give a f*ck what's between your legs.

equal rights, equal fights wrote:

I would never hit a woman first, but physically assault me and I could give a f*ck what's between your legs.

You probably:

1) meant "couldn't"

2) realize that it is not a matter of "what's between (her) legs" but rather the VAST physical mismatch that makes the hit so grotesque

3) should grow up

You are very welcome.

He didn't connect??? He knocked her out! That was caught on video.

xcbvxvbv wrote:

Fretter wrote:

What she did is not okay. She, too, will not be allowed to play in the NFL. Fair is fair.

Your attempt to dodge the question speaks volumes about your lack of ability to answer the question.

The question is superfluous. The fact is well known.

Where was the outrage when Solange attacked Jay Z in the elevator? Should she not be allowed to make a living in her chosen field? Did she get arrested?