Hey, K5, you just answered a question with a question. I take back what I said earlier...you're still not thinking for yourself. No surprise.
Hey, K5, you just answered a question with a question. I take back what I said earlier...you're still not thinking for yourself. No surprise.
Yup this is totally a liberal view, not a conservative troll
Whats next, give 25% of their property so lacy fuc ks can have it easier. Get out of here with your with Obama views...
We hang all the billionaires and then let the multi millionaires come up with a tax plan with their lives depending on the fact the rest of us find it fair?
K5 detector wrote:
Hey, K5, you just answered a question with a question. I take back what I said earlier...you're still not thinking for yourself. No surprise.
Well, everything I say induces instantaneous whining from you so I must be getting some ideas across.
K55 wrote:
Did you attend Israel summer camps throughout your youth?
I am guessing you did. Which would explain a lot.
What exactly would it explain?
K5 detector wrote:
K55 wrote:Did you attend Israel summer camps throughout your youth?
I am guessing you did. Which would explain a lot.
What exactly would it explain?
Won't answer? Why not?
K5 detector wrote:
K55 wrote:Did you attend Israel summer camps throughout your youth?
I am guessing you did. Which would explain a lot.
What exactly would it explain?
Aren't you the guy who ripped another poster for answering a question with a question?
Protect and Serve wrote:
landshark wrote:Who has $3m in savings? It's usually invested. Are you suggesting we reduce the available investment capital by25%? And that would be good thing?
Really?
What possible harm could a 75% correction in investable assets cause?
Taco bell wrote:
Protect and Serve wrote:Really?
What possible harm could a 75% correction in investable assets cause?
My question was designed to point out the insanity of the comment: "Who has $3m in savings? It's usually invested"
Paying attention wrote:
K5 detector wrote:What exactly would it explain?
Aren't you the guy who ripped another poster for answering a question with a question?
Yup, that was me. I hate when people do that.
Protect and serve wrote:
K5 detector wrote:What exactly would it explain?
Won't answer? Why not?
Nope, didn't attend any such camp. So now tell us you thought it would explain. Given your previous cowardice, in betting you avoid the question. Prove me wrong.
Protect and Serve wrote:
My question was designed to point out the insanity of the comment: "Who has $3m in savings? It's usually invested"
Could you explain what is insane about that post? It wouldn't make any sense for an individual to keep millions of dollars in liquid savings.
Shawn H wrote:
Why is the American dream "utter nonsense"? It's what made the United States the richest, most powerful nation the world has ever seen. Let me get this straight. You're saying that the more we spread the wealth around the better it is for everyone,right, Barack? Tell me where socialism, which eventually leads to communism, has actually worked. Soviet Russia? Cuba? China? North Korea?it.
Partial socialism worked quite well from FDR to Nixon in a little country called 'Mercia. Then Regan came along and set the wheels in motion for the Great Divide in income which is the source of most of the US's domestic problems.
So more unbridled capitalism is the answer, huh?
Shawn H wrote:
" Captialism is the best....The "American Dream" is centered around the idea that hard work, ingenuity and intelligence are rewarded, while laziness, lack of imagination, and stupidity are not. "
Is this why some not very hard working, not very intelligent athletes, who are just supremely talented make $20 million a year while some guy who works 3 jobs makes $30k ??? Or why gangster rappers make zillions singing about raping women and killing cops and a very caring, very intelligent, hard-working teacher makes $40k or less in many areas ?? Or why Justin Beiber will never have to work another day in his life (or Brittany Spears for that matter) but most seniors, if there were no SS, would need to keep working until the day they die?? BECAUSE......as you say Capitalism and America "reward hard work and intelligence" and don't reward "laziness and stupidity" ??
And of course we have families like the Bushes and Kennedy's (one for each party to hate on). George W. became the most powerful man in the world, and supremely rich, ALL because of his "hard work", "intelligence" and "talent", right?? Can I get a LOL X 10000000000 ??? It was allllll because of his family name. He was a lazy, moderately intelligent at best, drunk failure most of his life. In your America, it didn't matter a bit, he was rewarded supremely.
And hate-mongers like Rush Limbaugh are insanely rich because.....they make millions off hate and dividing the country??
Your America of "it's all about hard work and intelligence" is a fantasy. Luck and what family/neighborhood matter more than anything as far as predicting your future success. Sure, many do overcome hard odds. But people need opportunities. And the polices YOU support want to strip opportunities from the poor and unlucky, and instead cut taxes on the people who don't need a break: the already successful, the very lucky, and set-for-life crowd. Oh, but you DO want to give the poor a nice pep talk. How generous of you, you condescending a$$.
Shawn H wrote:
Bad Wigins wrote:This is utter nonsense and you know it.
In any case, your utopian society has nothing to do with the real world. Wealthy people depend on the government for protection from both the poor and from other wealthy people. Government doesn't steal from them, it prevents others from stealing from them. Without this compact with the government they would be eaten alive.
A system like that is an unnatural state, and it becomes more unnatural the richer people get. History has proven repeatedly that when this is taken to extremes, the government fails to protect the rich and they end up getting killed off. The United States is approaching this level of extremity, so it is for the rich people's own good that their wealth should be limited.
Why is the American dream "utter nonsense"? It's what made the United States the richest, most powerful nation the world has ever seen. Let me get this straight. You're saying that the more we spread the wealth around the better it is for everyone,right, Barack? Tell me where socialism, which eventually leads to communism, has actually worked. Soviet Russia? Cuba? China? North Korea? What happens when you steal from the rich--and even the so-called "upper middle class"--as is increasingly the case here in the U.S. The rich move their money and themselves out of the country, often taking their companies and jobs to more favorable places. I'm sure you would like to enslave them here and command them to continue paying the highest corporate tax in the developed world, but what would you do if you were in their shoes? Oh, and the rich can live wherever they want. When things get too hot, they can pay for all the security money can buy, or they can just move somewhere else, again taking their companies, their jobs, and their money out of the socialist pig sty. The people who are really screwed in YOUR socialist utopia are those who are on the edge of wealthy or who aspire to become wealthy. Their motivation is destroyed. Why work hard when you can get free handouts stolen from those who do? You obviously don't make a decent living, or you would be able to see things more clearly. Just when you start making it, the government says you don't need what you've earned and they give it to those who will vote to steal it.
As much as I hate to be a Wigins defender, your post is so full of unclear thinking, unfounded assumptions and just plain dishonesty that it cannot go unanswered.
1) "Let me get this straight. You're saying that the more we spread the wealth around the better it is for everyone,right, Barack?"
No, that is not what he said. Either you are retarded or you are a liar. Also, his name is not Barack. On this point you are indisputably a liar.
2) "Tell me where socialism, which eventually leads to communism, has actually worked. Soviet Russia? Cuba? China? North Korea?"
He never advocated for socialism. Putting such words in his mouth is again dishonest, confirming your status as fundamentally a liar.
3) "I'm sure you would like to enslave them here and command them to continue paying the highest corporate tax in the developed world, but what would you do if you were in their shoes?"
Liar, again.
4) "The people who are really screwed in YOUR socialist utopia are those who are on the edge of wealthy or who aspire to become wealthy."
Nope. The notion of a "socialist utopia" is one that you bring into the discussion, not Wigins.
You appear to be a pathological liar.
5) "You obviously don't make a decent living, or you would be able to see things more clearly."
You have no idea what Wigins does for a living. So once again you are a liar.
Here is the simply summary of your post - Shawn H is a pathological liar.
Please Explain wrote:
Protect and Serve wrote:My question was designed to point out the insanity of the comment: "Who has $3m in savings? It's usually invested"
Could you explain what is insane about that post? It wouldn't make any sense for an individual to keep millions of dollars in liquid savings.
God help us. Saying someone has $3 million in savings says nothing about how it is invested; it merely says that someone has $3 million in liquid assets. It seems you are also confused about the meaning of liquid assets. Stocks are liquid, as are bonds, mutual funds, CDs, savings accounts, checking accounts, cash, etc.
I am really shocked by the preponderance of ignorance on this site.
Tyrannosaurus Rexing wrote:
Shawn H wrote:
" Captialism is the best....The "American Dream" is centered around the idea that hard work, ingenuity and intelligence are rewarded, while laziness, lack of imagination, and stupidity are not. "
Is this why some not very hard working, not very intelligent athletes, who are just supremely talented make $20 million a year while some guy who works 3 jobs makes $30k ??? Or why gangster rappers make zillions singing about raping women and killing cops and a very caring, very intelligent, hard-working teacher makes $40k or less in many areas ?? Or why Justin Beiber will never have to work another day in his life (or Brittany Spears for that matter) but most seniors, if there were no SS, would need to keep working until the day they die?? BECAUSE......as you say Capitalism and America "reward hard work and intelligence" and don't reward "laziness and stupidity" ??
And of course we have families like the Bushes and Kennedy's (one for each party to hate on). George W. became the most powerful man in the world, and supremely rich, ALL because of his "hard work", "intelligence" and "talent", right?? Can I get a LOL X 10000000000 ??? It was allllll because of his family name. He was a lazy, moderately intelligent at best, drunk failure most of his life. In your America, it didn't matter a bit, he was rewarded supremely.
And hate-mongers like Rush Limbaugh are insanely rich because.....they make millions off hate and dividing the country??
Your America of "it's all about hard work and intelligence" is a fantasy. Luck and what family/neighborhood matter more than anything as far as predicting your future success. Sure, many do overcome hard odds. But people need opportunities. And the polices YOU support want to strip opportunities from the poor and unlucky, and instead cut taxes on the people who don't need a break: the already successful, the very lucky, and set-for-life crowd. Oh, but you DO want to give the poor a nice pep talk. How generous of you, you condescending a$$.
While your thought is nice you are purposefully ignoring 'demand'. Athletes and rappers make millions because there is high demand for their talent. I would also argue that teachers work harder than professional athletes. They made a better financial decision than the teacher. Of course the risk is MUCH MUCH higher trying to be a professional athlete or rapper but then the reward is much higher.
It doesn't surprise me that a liberal doesn't know the concepts of supply and demand. They simply think all demand should be met regardless of price or available resources.
I love how the threshold is set at a level that another individual would have. We need to make it fair and apply it equally across the board.
There should be a race where the "winner's" time has time added to it, and then the rest of the individual participants have "bonus" time subtracted from their time. The "winner" is then determined after the penalty and bonus times are added and subtracted according to the rule.
Protect and Serve wrote:
Protect and serve wrote:What exactly would it explain?
Won't answer? Why not?
Nope, didn't attend any such camp. So now tell us you thought it would explain. Given your previous cowardice, in betting you avoid the question. Prove me wrong.[/quote]
First off, I suspect you are lying and are a coward.
It would explain your irrational attachment to a foreign nation built on racial supremacy enforced by violence.
Most Americans are fed a steady diet of pro Israeli propaganda from the mainstream media. Yet only those who have been subjected to deep conditioning from an early age -- via Israel summer camps and certain schools that push the same skewed worldview -- react so viscerally to the presentation of facts that counter the pro Israel propaganda.
You do not react on an intellectual level or try to present any facts or logical arguments. You instead react hysterically and attack the messenger with ad hominems and labels. This type of reaction strongly indicates the deeper level of pro Israel brainwashing that one would acquire in an Israel summer camp.[/quote]
The hypocrisy in your reply is overwhelming. You accuse me of using ad hominems and labels while you ignore the facts I have presented and use those very same methods on me. You are so transparent even a child can easily see your motivation. Still you try to steer the conversation away from the obviously plagiarized propaganda you provide because you know you cannot reasonably defend it when facing off with even an average intellect. You are fooling no one.