So Bekele was doped before 2006 but now he isn't even though his career has gone on to great things on the roads?
EPO was a fad. Faster times will come without drugs. There is a simple phsyiological explanation, if you want the learn it?
But you are more interested in drugs aren't you?
Bekele and Lagat have continued to do incredible things since 2006. They are not helping your case.
These threads are often started by people who work for letsrun. They pretend to be doing things for the good of the sport, but they are just cynical journalists hyping up the drug obsession. rojo is just a fukcing tool. If he really cared about the sport he would be pro active in getting a more balanced view across, but he is really just jealous of other coaches and doesn't have the balls to answer his critics or discuss this stuff intelligently.
george oscar bluth wrote:
Bekele and Lagat have continued to do incredible things since 2006. They are not helping your case.
do you believe they are clean now/always?
or just doping smarter to dodge the passport?
opinion? wrote:
george oscar bluth wrote:Bekele and Lagat have continued to do incredible things since 2006. They are not helping your case.
do you believe they are clean now/always?
or just doping smarter to dodge the passport?
Meh, I don't heavily concern myself with doping speculations unless there is overwhelming evidence. I don't believe that either has overwhelming evidence against him.
Certainly I think they could have doped, could be doping now as well, but I believe the times they ran are possible to run clean.
the evidence is unquestionable amongst many sports.
and still is .....
renato is biggest liar and fraud on site .......
proof is the excuses just given to explain away the obvious .
and your drunk kenyan spent 45 days loading up on epo
.swapped one narcotic for another .
1.
bekele used the best type of epo , MICERA
whilst most others had to be very careful with
older forms of it .
AS DID GEB. FROM 2001 ONWARDS .
then couldnt use anymore summer 2008 .
after 2008 used as below.
2.
many athletes still use epo to get hct up to
low 50's and not fail passport(for training also notesting
and then hit europe or circuit ,simples ,
and high altitude athletes with lower natural hct
get bigger advantage than europeans who would
need to get into high 50's to be even close
3.
800m kipeter was close with epo
and now have an even bigger doper in rudisha
with igf-1 lr3 for speed
where endurance comes from ,gw50 previously .
4.
marathon epo use before event
all about the use of epo during training .
no testing helps . and more incentive in 2000's
to maximise all various endurance systems in body .
Paris, 2012, men's 5000m.
Drug Testers got the night off for that race
AS SAID ,
nothing new bekele goes away , soups up
high hct but not flag passport ,
epo mediated , wait to clear system .
hit paris .
as for rupp and farah would need hct in sky
and fail passport but
HAD GW501516 .
bought... wrote:
Drug Testers got the night off for that race
And how did that affect the athletes in the rest of the events? Or was the inside scoop only given to the men's 5000m field?
Farah can't be busted
He enters races straight from altitude
Any Drug Test Results are disregarded for passport purposes
coach..... wrote:
1000m. 1999
1500m. 2001
mile. 1999
2000m. 1998
3000m. 1996
2. miles. 1997
5000m. 1997
10000m. 1997
blatant EPO
discus....
The reason is that Canova isn't as good of a coach as he once was.
AS IN WHEN IS TOO HIGH TO HIGH ... for passport
please clarify somebody or IAAF/ WADA.
i have a HCT of 54% but its okay as
got excuse that responded well to training in mountains....
adcuk2022 wrote:
AS SAID ,
nothing new bekele goes away , soups up
high hct but not flag passport ,
epo mediated , wait to clear system .
hit paris .
as for rupp and farah would need hct in sky
and fail passport but
HAD GW501516 .
I wish you'd write in sentences, because half the time I can't follow what you're saying!
What does, "need hct in sky," mean?
mo..... wrote:
Farah can't be busted
He enters races straight from altitude
Any Drug Test Results are disregarded for passport purposes
Excuse my ignorance. Could you please explain why this is the case? Cheers.
Cheers!
how do you know how bio passport works..............
ASSUME that regardless of athletes previous bio -levels
that when rocks a plausibly naturally occurring hematocrit
and can give an excuse to how got there
(ie ..intense training response to hypoxia )
and pass drug tests ,then is allowed .
coach..... wrote:
1000m. 1999
1500m. 2001
mile. 1999
2000m. 1998
3000m. 1996
2. miles. 1997
5000m. 1997
10000m. 1997
blatant EPO
discus....
Everyone knows that the in heyday of Kenyans and Ethiopians re-writing the record books they were doped to the gills. It was hilarious to watch the PC deniers defend them. Funnier than that was watching people claim that Dr. Rosa and Hermens and other frauds would never dope their runners. As EPO testing has gotten better, the sheer numbers of Africans posting superb marks has decreased, not increased. KB, Geb and others were incredible abusers. Everyone knows it, but the PC brainwashing stops the cowards from wrapping their minds around the obvious cheating going on. Making things worse was the fact that Africans were able (are still able) to avoid out of season drug testing, and then enjoy political protection by many officials because they are poor little denizens of decrepit third world countries.
aduck2022 wrote:
how do you know how bio passport works..............
ASSUME that regardless of athletes previous bio -levels
that when rocks a plausibly naturally occurring hematocrit
and can give an excuse to how got there
(ie ..intense training response to hypoxia )
and pass drug tests ,then is allowed .
correct
the ABP is set-up to provide false-negatives rather than false positives as the margin of error is very wide
they are trying to clamp down on the microdosing but at present it doesn't trip the passport
there is a fiddle with altitude and EPO as the results are not entered into the passport if you get tested shortly after altitude and any odd test result can be explained away by the altitude