Guess who bombed out of 1st round of women's European 1500? Olympic silver medallist Gamze Bulut

Yet when Asbel Kiprop has a bad race you say that just proves "he's human" ergo probably clean. And when El Guerrouj is consistent year after year that's a red flag.

Makh is back wrote:

Yet when Asbel Kiprop has a bad race you say that just proves "he's human" ergo probably clean. And when El Guerrouj is consistent year after year that's a red flag.

Ouch!

Kiprop has never finished 12th in a prelim.

Makh is back wrote:

Yet when Asbel Kiprop has a bad race you say that just proves "he's human" ergo probably clean. And when El Guerrouj is consistent year after year that's a red flag.

morcelli and guerrouj and all the great dopers of the past could get away with it

they can't now

The real question is what will she run at World's and Olympics in 2015 and 2016. Any 4:18s now will be forgotten as the regimen starts up again.

Turkish female mid d runners and killer kops. Sick of 'em

Makh is back wrote:

Yet when Asbel Kiprop has a bad race you say that just proves "he's human" ergo probably clean. And when El Guerrouj is consistent year after year that's a red flag.

The second part of your statement is correct.

The first part is laughable. Bad race?

It's not a bad race. It's a bad 2 years. It's like a 3:58 miler struggling to break 4:08 for the span of two years. Yes her pb is only 4:01 but winning Olympic silver is the equiv of say a 3:58 in my book.

How about Radcliffe, who was getting beat all the time, then ran 2:17 and 2:15, and now can't run anything.

Very suspicious!

Why are the Brojos covering up this obvious doper?

Lets Double Standard wrote:

How about Radcliffe, who was getting beat all the time, then ran 2:17 and 2:15, and now can't run anything.

Very suspicious!

Why are the Brojos covering up this obvious doper?

thank you for outing her

i wasn't aware of these facts

A formerly great runner does poorly? CALL THE DOPING POLICE! Oh but only on foreigners. Not on people like Chris Solinsky.

Here are Bulut's 2014 results according to Tilastapaja

800 m

2:04.26i PB (59) 2 BalkanC Istanbul 22 Feb

1500 m

4:07.94i NR PB (14) 1 Istanbul 15 Feb

4:24.52i 6h3 WC Sopot 7 Mar

4:18.31 SB 2 Club Ch Izmir 3 Jun

4:15.03 SB 2-22 Medit Ch Aubagne 15 Jun

4:07.79 SB (67) 1 NC Izmir 19 Jul

4:18.28 12h2 EC Zürich 12 Aug

5000 m

16:23.71 SB 1 Club Ch Izmir 4 Jun

15:37.70 PB (108) 2 ETC Braunschweig 22 Jun

she should not have toasted that field at the olympics and her compatriot, who finished ahead of her, has been busted for drugs yet again. what part of this is not suspicious?

I thought that Turkey was supposed to have been banned from track and field because of all their positive doping tests. Seriously, countries such as Russia, Morocco, or Kenya should all serve a ban from track and field because of the amount of positive tests they have recently produced.

I could also add Spain to the least but at least their national police seemed to do a good job of busting all their dopers a few years ago whereas the above listed countries have done absolutely nothing to control their problem.

A ban was applied to the Chinese swimming team partly because of all their positive tests and it did seem to somewhat alleviate the problem of doping in Chinese swimming.

rojo wrote:

Since going from 4:18.23 in 2011 to 4:01.18 and Olympic silver in 2012, Bulut hasn't broken 4:07.

It's ridiculous that these obvious dopers are allowed to compete. Bulut is probably the most extreme example, but looking at her results, she'd never done anything before the Olympics and she hasn't done anything since then either.

How is this an evidence for doping? Remember Pamela Jelimo? Do you think she was doping?

When you improve too quickly and achieve something great that you didn't even dream about before you easily lose the motivation and former drive. Or she might have been injured after her breakthrough.

Hope they got a blood sample in Zurich

It would be nice to compare London 2012 vs. Zurich 2014 blood profiles.

Might silence the doubters or prove them right

Lets Double Standard wrote:

How about Radcliffe, who was getting beat all the time, then ran 2:17 and 2:15, and now can't run anything.

Very suspicious!

Why are the Brojos covering up this obvious doper?

"getting beat all the time, then ran 2.17 and 2.15". Do elaborate

Flunket wrote:

Lets Double Standard wrote:

How about Radcliffe, who was getting beat all the time, then ran 2:17 and 2:15, and now can't run anything.

Very suspicious!

Why are the Brojos covering up this obvious doper?

"getting beat all the time, then ran 2.17 and 2.15". Do elaborate

radcliffe is a doper. Is that elaborate enough for you?

completely irrelevant to the quote I asked to be elaborated on. So no

The lack of understanding the nuances of potential doping amazes me. Let me help you guys understand a little bit.As a poker player, I often rely on odds and tells. The odds and tells given out by bulut's bio for doping are way greater than Solinsky/Radcliffe.

Yes 2:15 is hard for many people to fathom. I get it.

But your comparison's between her and Bulut are off in every other possible way.

Radcliffe was a child prodigy who was great for a long period of time before moving to the marathon. She was far from a mediocre runner who suddenly won Olympic silver and then disappeared.

Radcliffe was a World Jr xc Champ. She wasn't winning gold on the track but she was amazingly good. Her 14:29 5000 was at the time the fastest non-African/Chinese time in history (now only surpassed by a chinese). Her 30:01 is still the fastest non-African/chinese time in history.

2:15 is way way out there, but I coached a guy at Cornell - Sage canaday who has 14:35/29:46 pbs and he ran 2:16.

Not at all. It's not about being good and then being bad. It's about never being good, then suddenly being good and hten being bad.

Solinsky, like Radcliffe, had a long body of work showing he was a special American talent.

Does this mean that Solinsky and Radcliffe are clean and Bulut is dirty? No, of course not.

But if you are talking odds, the odds are way greater for Bulut.

-Rojo

PS. Also Radcliffe was an ardent anti-doping leader. She had the guts to publicly ask for EPO cheats to be outed at the 2001 Games:

Does that mean she's clean? No. It could have been an act but again in my mind it greatly lowers the odds.