Third, the silent 2013 and 2014 hurricane season extends an amazing record regarding major hurricane strikes of Category 3 or higher. The United States is currently undergoing its longest period in history without a major strike.
Third, the silent 2013 and 2014 hurricane season extends an amazing record regarding major hurricane strikes of Category 3 or higher. The United States is currently undergoing its longest period in history without a major strike.
globalwarming scam wrote:
Third, the silent 2013 and 2014 hurricane season extends an amazing record regarding major hurricane strikes of Category 3 or higher. The United States is currently undergoing its longest period in history without a major strike.
And this negates all of the data confirming that the planet has been warming for quite some time now.
Wait! No it doesn't, but it allows ignorant trolls to ramble on in imaginary triumph.
Global warming isn't a myth, but it's certainly not happening at the rate the average person thinks it is; that, my friend, is called climate change.
Tis a fluke. Just like Katrina was a fluke to kill 1000s. If it tracks 100 km further east, maybe there are 50-100 deaths instead. New Orleans was unlucky.
globalwarming scam wrote:
Third, the silent 2013 and 2014 hurricane season extends an amazing record regarding major hurricane strikes of Category 3 or higher. The United States is currently undergoing its longest period in history without a major strike.
Meanwhile, major shipping companies are factoring retreating sea ice into new shipping routes.
That you think climate change = linear increase in hurricanes makes me feel you're not very informed.
Sorry, but people who know science are called scientists. Scientists who know climate science are called climate scientists. Climate scientists overwhelmingly say climate change is a reality, and if you've been paying attention you might have noticed the sphere of climate denial is shrinking rapidly.
The narrative for the dull and incurious is now 'climate change is real but we're not causing it'. Do keep up - you can cling to THAT one for the rest of your days if you're determined.
Ocean temperatures don't affect the number pf hurricanes that firm or their paths, just the intensity of the storms. Sorry that people who have spent their life studying climate science actually know more about it than you do.
dsfgsad wrote:
globalwarming scam wrote:Third, the silent 2013 and 2014 hurricane season extends an amazing record regarding major hurricane strikes of Category 3 or higher. The United States is currently undergoing its longest period in history without a major strike.
Meanwhile, major shipping companies are factoring retreating sea ice into new shipping routes.
That you think climate change = linear increase in hurricanes makes me feel you're not very informed.
Sorry, but people who know science are called scientists. Scientists who know climate science are called climate scientists. Climate scientists overwhelmingly say climate change is a reality, and if you've been paying attention you might have noticed the sphere of climate denial is shrinking rapidly.
The narrative for the dull and incurious is now 'climate change is real but we're not causing it'. Do keep up - you can cling to THAT one for the rest of your days if you're determined.
If the OP was more informed, he would know it was global warming and retreating ice that factored into Franklin's attempt to navigate the northwest passage in 1845. Even then, global warming was a deadly fact to be dealt with.
The OP's belief in numerous hurricane's though probably came from all those misinformed climatologists and the nonsense they preached over the past few decades. But today's climatologists are much better informed, and we now can say with certainty that global warming causing hot days and lots of hurricanes, and weather causes cool days and lack of hurricanes.
You should see it wrote:
dsfgsad wrote:Meanwhile, major shipping companies are factoring retreating sea ice into new shipping routes.
That you think climate change = linear increase in hurricanes makes me feel you're not very informed.
Sorry, but people who know science are called scientists. Scientists who know climate science are called climate scientists. Climate scientists overwhelmingly say climate change is a reality, and if you've been paying attention you might have noticed the sphere of climate denial is shrinking rapidly.
The narrative for the dull and incurious is now 'climate change is real but we're not causing it'. Do keep up - you can cling to THAT one for the rest of your days if you're determined.
If the OP was more informed, he would know it was global warming and retreating ice that factored into Franklin's attempt to navigate the northwest passage in 1845. Even then, global warming was a deadly fact to be dealt with.
The OP's belief in numerous hurricane's though probably came from all those misinformed climatologists and the nonsense they preached over the past few decades. But today's climatologists are much better informed, and we now can say with certainty that global warming causing hot days and lots of hurricanes, and weather causes cool days and lack of hurricanes.
I say again: climate scientists do not agree with you. How does it feel that you've been convinced by your betters that intellectuals are to be distrusted? Someone out there is laughing at you, fighting their wars for them, on forums and the like. They don't respect you and don't have your best interests at heart.
Tell me something: do you buy into the idea tens of thousands of climate scientists have somehow colluded to mislead the entirety of humanity simply to scam research funds?
If so, I have a bridge for sale you'll be very interested in, so hit me up.
In the off chance that anyone cares, here's a good in-depth overview of the current understanding of the relationship between global warming and hurricane activity. Section 1.F is the TL;DR summary for the North Atlantic: http://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/global-warming-and-hurricanes
Trust Fund Layabout wrote:
globalwarming scam wrote:Third, the silent 2013 and 2014 hurricane season extends an amazing record regarding major hurricane strikes of Category 3 or higher. The United States is currently undergoing its longest period in history without a major strike.
And this negates all of the data confirming that the planet has been warming for quite some time now.
Wait! No it doesn't, but it allows ignorant trolls to ramble on in imaginary triumph.
But the Earth HASN'T been warming for quite some time now. In fact, the Earth hasn't warmed since 1996. And all the "climate scientists" everyone is alluding to have been wrong time and time and time again. Look back at the previous IPCC reports (I, II, III and IV). Look at their projections and they were wrong more often than right. All these scientists predicted much more severe hurricane activity after Katrina but instea the last major hurricane to hit the US was Wilma in 2005. They even had to make up a new name "Superstorm" for Sandy to make it sound more onerous and because it never reached hurricane level. These "climate scientists" are crackpots beholden to their research grants.
The sky is falling?
yeah.. no wrote:
Global warming isn't a myth, but it's certainly not happening at the rate the average person thinks it is; that, my friend, is called climate change.
Most deniers don't realize that most of the noted skeptical scientists agree that the planet is warming, a natural phenomenon as the Earth emerges from an ice age.
It's the speed and the cause they disagree with.
Also, owls do not exist.
D R wrote:
yeah.. no wrote:Global warming isn't a myth, but it's certainly not happening at the rate the average person thinks it is; that, my friend, is called climate change.
Most deniers don't realize that most of the noted skeptical scientists agree that the planet is warming, a natural phenomenon as the Earth emerges from an ice age.
It's the speed and the cause they disagree with.
Someone might want to let these folks in on a little secret - pssst, the last ice age ended more than 10,000 years ago.
Trust Fund Layabout wrote:
And this negates all of the data confirming that the planet has been warming for quite some time now.
Wait! No it doesn't, but it allows ignorant trolls to ramble on in imaginary triumph.
A) It shows the selection bias of the warmists because they certainly don't shut up about GW whenever a hurricane rolls through.
B) An increase in hurricane activity is supposed to be a major consequence of GW - the warmer seas act as a more powerful energy source, or somesuch.
C) It suggests that climate change models don't actually model climate as well as we thought, which undercuts the broader case for AGW.
There were 5 super typhoons in Asia in 2013.
globalwarming scam wrote:
Third, the silent 2013 and 2014 hurricane season extends an amazing record regarding major hurricane strikes of Category 3 or higher. The United States is currently undergoing its longest period in history without a major strike.
10/10 LOL - you did it! You got another debate about global warming/ climate change started
Well done sir!
"The world could see as many as 20 additional hurricanes and tropical storms each year by the end of the century because of climate change, says a study out today.
The study was published Monday in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS), written by top climate researcher Kerry Emanuel of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology."
http://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/2013/07/08/climate-change-global-warming-hurricanes/2498611/
I'm not going to respond to the disbelief in climate change, but for the record, Hurricane Sandy was a category 3 hurricane in October 2012. I beleive it may have "only" been rated a category 1 when it hit the shores of New Jersey but I doubt those affected by its destruction care what number was assigned to it.
From Wikipedia: Estimates as of March 2014 assess damage to have been over $68 billion (2013 USD), a total surpassed only by Hurricane Katrina. At least 286 people were killed along the path of the storm in seven countries.
Sally V wrote:
Trust Fund Layabout wrote:And this negates all of the data confirming that the planet has been warming for quite some time now.
Wait! No it doesn't, but it allows ignorant trolls to ramble on in imaginary triumph.
But the Earth HASN'T been warming for quite some time now. In fact, the Earth hasn't warmed since 1996. And all the "climate scientists" everyone is alluding to have been wrong time and time and time again. Look back at the previous IPCC reports (I, II, III and IV). Look at their projections and they were wrong more often than right. All these scientists predicted much more severe hurricane activity after Katrina but instea the last major hurricane to hit the US was Wilma in 2005. They even had to make up a new name "Superstorm" for Sandy to make it sound more onerous and because it never reached hurricane level. These "climate scientists" are crackpots beholden to their research grants.
Oh look, it's Sally again. Let's put it simply for you. On one hand, you could say global warming as a) not happening, or b) is happening but is natural. I guess you subscribe to either a) or b), or maybe an eclectic mix of the two. You presume this based on YOUR OWN research, or gut feeling, because experts disagree with you. You justify this by saying the experts are wrong 'more often than not' (source?).
So... what's YOUR record on accurately predicting broad climate trends? I'd say you're 0 out of 0, because you lack an honours, masters or doctoral thesis on the matter.
What you're aying is that YOUR hunch os just as valid as an expert's opinion. You back this up with an assertion climate scientists have been wrong before. This doesn't make your stance any less breathtakingly arrogant.
You're not that smart, Sally, to have a viewpoint as valid as an expert's. Why do you think you are?
I also very seriously doubt you've undertaken a comprehensive literature review to prove climate scientists are wrong >50 per cent of the time. I put it to you you pulled that statistic out your a$$.