Has Kipketer run the equivalent of a sub 1:40 800m indoors?

oint. Consider the difference of times of athletes in similar shapes indoor and outdoor. I took some examples:

Borza - 1:44.15 - 1:42.47 -> ~1.68 faster outdoor

Aman - 1:44.52 - 1:42.37 -> ~2.15 faster outdoor

Paul Ereng - 1:44.88 - 1:43.16 -> ~1.72 faster outdoor

Bungei - 1:44.97 - 1:42.34 -> ~2.63 faster outdoor

Johnny Gray - 1:45.08 - 1:42.60 -> 2.48 faster outdoor

Kaki - 1:45.02 - 1:42.23 -> 2.79 faster outdoor

Barbosa - 1:43.87 -1:45.43 -> 1.56 faster outdoor

Lewandowski - 1:45.41 - 1.43.79 -> 1.62 faster outdoor

Obviously some athletes are proportionally better indoor than others, like Barbosa (world indoor champion), Lewandowski, Borza.

So what you are saying is that Kipketer 1:42.67 indoor would be the equivalent of 1:41.22, yet that's just 1.45 faster. I don't think its equivalent is under 1:40, but i do believe it's better than Rudisha's 1:40.9.

He was capable of producing that result. He has run 1:41.24 passing the first lap in ~48.4, running high 52 for second lap. Had he gone slower in about ~49.2 I guess not many people would disagree he would still own the 800m WR, running a ~1:40.6 - 1:40.7 that day.

and his indoor 1:42.67 worths around that as well.

"He was capable of producing that result. He has run 1:41.24 passing the first lap in ~48.4, running high 52 for second lap. Had he gone slower in about ~49.2 I guess not many people would disagree he would still own the 800m WR, running a ~1:40.6 - 1:40.7 that day.

and his indoor 1:42.67 worths around that as well."

Exactly. Talked to James Templeton about that too - said they (him and Rudisha) smile and thank Joseph Tengelei (the pacemaker that night in Zürich for the 48.4 or else the record would probably be in the 1.40.8 vicinity already

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_C5SDNRyDw

:)

try more like

1'40-mid

formula for difference i use between any varying splits & "gold standard" 2.0s +ve splits is

~ [( 2nd lap ) - ( 1st lap ) - 2 ] * 0.3

the pacer went thru in 48.1 & kip was right behind & coudn't have been any slower than 48.3, although vid cuts away to crowd at bell

so 48.3 / 52.94

he couda ideally expected that day

~ 49.2+ / 51.2+

Bad Wigins wrote:Sure there may be few outdoor 3000's better than Komen's indoor 3000. But the great Augustine Choge has run zero outdoor 3000's better than his own indoor 7:28.00. Alamirew is only .54 seconds slower outdoors than indoors, and HG only 1.09 seconds slower. Among the top 3000 performers, Komen's the oddball with his outdoor so much faster than his indoor

you need to some research on fast 3ks

i've seen 75 - 80 % of all the < 7'30s on tv & apart from maybe komen's 7'20, the pacing in virtually all of them has been sh!!t ( even that had ridiculous 57.8 opener )

here is a kennster 7'26 in totally sh!!t weather off a pathetic 5'02.7

he musta been cursing he didn't get warm, dry day + 4'55 pacing

Le Foot wrote:

That's ludacris.

Ludacris is a rapper. I think you meant "ludicrous".

can't argue with that - my personal feeling is that Kipketer could hold on to 1.41.2 off 48.3 then off 49.0 he could have reasonably expected somewhere in the 1.40.6 range

if you see templeton again, tell him there has only ever been been 1 homo erectus who drew breathe who coud follow a 49-flat with a < 51

on this day on a '70s synthetic with scherer dragging him smoothly to bell

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUsEuv3Debs

ventolin^3 wrote:

if you see templeton again, tell him there has only ever been been 1 homo erectus who drew breathe who coud follow a 49-flat with a < 51

on this day on a '70s synthetic with scherer dragging him smoothly to bell

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUsEuv3Debs

Ryun was a great runner, but he never ran a first lap in 49 flat in his career. So what you assume as true is a mere speculation. A last 300m of a 1500m race as the biggest evidence of your argument makes it to be really poor.

i mean one second slower for the last 300m

rfmaioral wrote:

Why the Ovett race? because he ran 25.1 last 200m in a race 5 seconds faster than Ryun's.

Coe closed the 1,500m Olympic race in 12.1. Ovett ran a curve in 12.0.

In this Dusseldorf race, the pace was 60+ seconds per lap when Ryun started to kick. That was not fast for the time. His last 400m was 50.6 and last 300m 36.5 which is amazing. Ovett has run about that (maybe 0.1/0.2 slower) for the last 400m of his olympic victory. Farah has run a 50.9 lap and one second slower than Ryun in a 5,000m win.

I don't even know where to begin...

IAAF scoring tables give 1:42.66 as equivalent to 1:40.60 outdoors, so go figure.