Ayanleh Souleiman - could he threaten El G's records

ventolin^3 wrote:if nijel coud run 1'41.73, what on earth do you think noah who looks to have started in lane 3 at best in rieti & just got inside lane 1 by stretch, meaning extra

~ 5.25m !!!

extra in just 200m in a 2'11.96 off a suicidal 49.8, meaning more like a 49.1+ start !!!

couda run if no other rubbish in field & got pole quick like coe in his previous wr ???

add on 3'29.1 win fatigue just 44 hours before in brussels

get a clue

800 times are p!ss weak

answer is

~ 1'41-low

ventolin^3 wrote:

answer is

~ 1'41-low

I still wonder about Ngeny. Chased El G to line in his 3:43 wr. Why didn't he run much faster 1500m?? Why didn't he make it a priority to get in fast one? with 1:41, 2:11, he could have pushed El G to 3:25.x? or beaten him in 3:25.... certainly faster than lagat at 15, no?

Epo or not, just ridiculous

a raw kid

he was a pacer upto '99

in '99 it's obvious he was a 800/1k guy after his 2'13, but inexplicably spent his time chasing hicham, even at 1 mile ?!

wrong event

if mo didn't realise he was 3'28 in huge computational era of '13, it's no surprise noah was clueless about best event in '99...

Thanks for the detailed response. I always love reading your posts.

It's amazing how important endurance is to being a great miler, as you pointed out comparing El Guerrouj's relative lack of speed compared to, say, Coe and Ryun (1:39?! Holy crap!). I had never heard that Coe's WR was anything less than legit. Not saying you're wrong, but maybe it just was a VERY fast track?

Very interesting that you think Noah was at the same speed as the former WR holder over the 800M, Seb Coe. Did Noah run the 800 often? Makes sense he's fast at the half mile, though, given his 1,000M WR.

Interesting that Mr. 1:42 Johnny Gray is also the 600M WR holder. Wonder what other half-mile/mike greats could run the 600/1,000M in?

Crazy also to think about Ryun and Coe having 45-second 400M ability. That's truly world class at a sprint event.

ventolin^3 wrote:

what on earth do you think noah who looks to have started in lane 3 at best in rieti & just got inside lane 1 by stretch, meaning extra

~ 5.25m !!!

Rubbish. He doesn't run the entire bend in lane 3. He is clearly running on the right side of lane 1 and never touches lane 2 once the initial scramble is over.

Radius of bends on IAAF tracks is 36.8m, measured from 30cm into lane 1 from curb. Lanes are 1.22m wide. He was just inside the line with lane 2 on that bend, even from side on shot he is clearly tight alongside 1 runner inside of him.

If he runs a line 1.1m from inside of lane 1, that's 80cm from the line they use to measure the radius.

~ 2Pi R where R = 37.6m (36.8 + 0.8) = 236.24m

The 2 bends on official IAAF tracks should be 231.22m long, which is 115.61 per bend.

Ngeny only runs 1 bend wide in lane 1, so 236.24 /2 = 118.12m

Subtract that from the distance (115.61m) that he would have run running 30cm from the inside of the track and you get 2.51m. (Maybe 3m at a push) Which is about 0.3sec.

That's more than half the rubbish you calculated.

He then had someone with him to 700m and someone close behind to 800m to spur him on.

Running 2 days after a 1500m at the peak of the season is what these elites train for. Champions have to put together 3 races in the same number of days to win medals.

And let's not forget that EPO is a wonderful aid to quick recovery.

ISBN wrote:

Running 2 days after a 1500m at the peak of the season is what these elites train for.

talk about rubbish

logician wrote:

ISBN wrote:

Running 2 days after a 1500m at the peak of the season is what these elites train for.

talk about rubbish

That's not rubbish. It's a valid statement.

utter drivel

you either are blind or stoopid

he starts in what appears to be lane 3 & at end of stretch he is just in lane 1

nonsense

he starts in lane 3 & at best makes a straight-line move to just inside lane 1 at end of bend

he is not tight alongside lane 1 guy

that lane 1 guy is also running mid-lane, not tight in lane 1

rubbish

starting in lane 3, being ungenerous & being 0.3m in lane 3, means he starts out 1.22 * 2 lanes out * pi = 2.44pi extra

he is just inside lane 2 at end of bend, meaning 0.9pi out

other than using calculus, the average of these 2 will give close estimate of extra distance run =

0.5 * (2.44pi + 0.9pi) = 1.67pi =

5.25m

rubbish

it is spot on

more rubbish

when vid shows him in straight after cutting back from pole vault, it shows pacer out wide in lane & noah inside, getting no effective drafting & this continues onto when pacer drops out

noah appears to have had no effective drafting after 500m & even at start when running wide to get down into lane 1 he is not getting any effective drafting as not following anyone directly ahead

as for guy behind him, that is nonsense

there was no one in field who was a threat, so someone behind does nothing - no fear factor at all

nonsense

no one prepares for a 1k wr attempt with a 3'29.1 in their legs from 44 hours before

when champions run rounds, they run controlled, relatively easy prelims NOT a 3'29.1

as are blood transfusions with risk of toxoplasmosis

I think its you who needs help.

No way is Ngeny in lane 3 for all of 1st bend. He makes a rush for lane 1 and is in it or at most on line with lane 2 for most of bend.

He runs a couple of yards extra but not 5+

utter nonsense

go watch the vid

he has huge amount of traffic at start stopping him from getting into lane 1 until end of bend

get a clue : average out lane 3 with outer lane 1 to get an estimate

ventolin^3 wrote:

utter nonsense

go watch the vid

he has huge amount of traffic at start stopping him from getting into lane 1 until end of bend

get a clue : average out lane 3 with outer lane 1 to get an estimate

i'm severely underestimating

noah

he looks to start

1k wr

in lane 4

& looks

"outer lane 4"