Nutrition Advice

bioman wrote:

Tyrannosaurus Rexing wrote:

If very few people ACTUALLY FOLLOW the "mainstream advice", you can't blame the advice.

Yes you can. We call the advice "ineffective". Adherence is a key part of a clinical intervention, dopey.

Maybe the advice is fine, but there needs to be other parts to it, and we need to give people an environment that enables them to be able to follow it? Or is that too complicated for you?

And: cut carbs and eat fat and protein at will (atkins type advice) has been no more effective at reducing weight in obese people *in the long term* than any other advice. So what's YOUR solution?

bioman wrote:MD: "Hello heroin addict, stop taking heroin."

Addict: "Wow, great advice. I'm cured!"

And your advice to the heroin addict would be: "heroin is not your problem, carbs are. Cut carbs and you will be fine" ?

Tyrannosaurus Rexing wrote:

And your advice to the heroin addict would be: "heroin is not your problem, carbs are. Cut carbs and you will be fine" ?

What in the blinkin flip kind of reasoning is that? You seriously can't be this stupid, can you?

Treatment for drug addiction begins with the understanding that there is an underlying biological driver controlling the behaviour of the addict causing him to make decisions that his conscious brain knows is ill-advised. Treatment acknowledges the overwhelming strength of that driver and forms strategies to help the addict deal with it knowing that the strength of addictive drivers abates with time, although they never fully disappear.

The goal is never overlooked and ineffective strategies are disregarded without dogma. A strategy that cannot be adhered to is always dismissed due to ineffectiveness (at least by wise men).

What on earth makes you feel entitled to post about nutrition and its effect on health when you don't understand the simple disease treatment paradigm? Also where has this stuff about carbs and paleo come from? The subject of this thread is a healthy diet for performance for the OP.

Stop posting dopey.

And you think this has to do with diet? Ridiculous. Let the nonsense continue.

You are all headcases when it comes to diet, which will only lead to disappointment and frankly lousier training and racing.

"Below is a list of average life expectency of all countries in the world. Notice Kenya vs the USA."

It's the same reasoning of low-carbers telling food overeaters to simply "cut carbs, ignore calories and exercise, and you will be okay." And I guarantee that it's YOUR reasoning when it comes to diet, and you know it, A$$hole.

Well, well, well, we have an addiction specialist on our hands! Bravo. Where do you work? Oh, right, you just FANCY yourself an expert. Of course. "underlying biological driver" ?? Yeah, it's called drug addiction, $hit-for-brains. AFTER that (a period of staying off drugs), it's a psychological addiction. Yes, very complicated, and with huge relapse rates. But the solution isn't telling them: heroin isn't your problem, just like telling an overweight person that not being active enough and eating too many calories is NOT their problem, but it's simply too many carbs. And that is EXACTLY what the paleo/taubes/atkins clowns are telling people.

"entitled" ?! Seriously, great humor! What makes YOU feel entitled to tell someone who knows 1000x more about a subject then you do "to stop posting" on it?? Now THAT is classic. What are YOUR credentials, other than being a typical internet pseudo-arm-chair expert? I'll lay them out for you: none, zero, zilch. And that's being kind. Let me guess, you are inherently brilliant, maybe a physicist (wink, wink) ? YOU brought up Heroin on a "nutrition" thread in an apparent attempt at analogy and you are asking me "what is this about carbs and paleo" ?? (which is the type of diet Flagpole was pushing, and who I was debating). Who is straying off topic (heroin addiction is not close to the same as obesity. There may be some similarities, but many, many differences) ?? You are.

Hey, jack-a$$, I'll say it one last time, nice and clear for you, so even YOU can get it:

Don't tell me what to do, mind your own damn business, and learn to shut your mouth and listen when someone with more knowledge on a particular topic than you is discussing said topic. Comprende?? Good.

Someone got mad.

;)

bioman wrote:

Right on man. The OP is trying to build a stronger animal. Since he is constructed of animal he should be eating animal materials to build that body. Eggs and meat protein are the shizzle for that purpose..

Ok, I had the wrong clone. You're Cult_Fit_CLown?? That explains a lot.

We're animals, so we *need* to eat animals ? Hilarious. Talk about simplistic nonsense.

"for shizzle" ?? Ok, hip-hop bioman, whatever you say.

bioman wrote:

Someone got mad.

;)

Yup, and it was you who got angry first. And yes, for me, dealing with know-nothing A-holes occasionally pisses me off. Yup, it happens, and since this is the internet, which is chock full of them, it happens more than once in a blue moon.

OP here again....doesn't seem like I'm getting the advice I was looking for yet. I'm actually completely lost in the whole posting. So, is my diet bad? Good? Thanks.

Afraid not dopey. At no point have I been angry. Just because I'm calm however doesn't mean I have any desire to read your 1000-word essays of utter trash.

Anyway, life is happening over here so I shall leave you to your madness!

You're so cute when you're mad. ;)

Foodrunner wrote:

So, is my diet bad? Good? Thanks.

It is calorically insufficent. Eat more meat and fewer vegetables.

Everything you eat with fiber in it fills you up and prevents you from eating more, and interferes with the digestion of what else you can eat. The bananas for example. The bread in the sandwiches. You get fewer calories both by mass and volume.

Also eat liver at least every few days.

Foodrunner wrote:

OP here again....doesn't seem like I'm getting the advice I was looking for yet. I'm actually completely lost in the whole posting. So, is my diet bad? Good? Thanks.

I'm afraid you may struggle to get advice. Threads on nutrition on this board usually end in one of two ways: (1) very few replies, or (2) thread hijacked by Tyrannosaurus rexing to go on a massive rant against ATKINS/PALEO/XFIT MORONS.

FWIW I think your diet doesn't look pretty decent but I reckon you suspect yourself that you could improve it if you wanted to.

In a different thread I linked some examples of meals that meb keflezighi is seen eating in some youtube videos. Obviously only a few examples from one runner but have a look and see what you make of them (the videos should be at the correct time indexes). Cheers, Limey.

bioman wrote:

Afraid not dopey. At no point have I been angry. Just because I'm calm however doesn't mean I have any desire to read your 1000-word essays of utter trash.

Anyway, life is happening over here so I shall leave you to your madness!

You're so cute when you're mad. ;)

bioman wrote:

Afraid not dopey. At no point have I been angry. Just because I'm calm however doesn't mean I have any desire to read your 1000-word essays of utter trash.

Anyway, life is happening over here so I shall leave you to your madness!

You're so cute when you're mad. ;)

Awesome bro', glad you are so "calm" (funny, people who hurl insults are not usually "calm").

And I know you're think you're pushing my buttons with with your "dopey" name-calling (what's next, gonna call me Minnie Mouse?), winky-faces, and attempted taunts of "you're cut when you're mad" (gee, I never heard THAT one before. Can I get a "thanks for playing" too ?), but really you're just showing your lack of originality and that you have nothing of substance to say on the topic of discussion. (and if you think I'm cute, sorry bro', I don't swing that way. not that there's anything wrong with it. And FYI: I find nothing "cute" about the way you attempt to converse. nothing at all. I find it simply embarrassing for you).

And yes, I should have known that "1000 words" were too many for you to handle. What's that, 14-15 paragraphs or so? 1/2 an article in the NYtimes? Yes, waaaay too much for your pea-brain. Next time I'll include pictures and simple sound-bites: "Sugar bad, fat good, eat animals, live forever." Was that what you were looking for? Yes, simplicity for the simpleton.

Now go live that awesome bro-riffic life of your dude! I'm sure mom cooked something nice for dinner!

UK Limey runner wrote:

I'm afraid you may struggle to get advice. Threads on nutrition on this board usually end in one of two ways: (1) very few replies, or (2) thread hijacked by Tyrannosaurus rexing to go on a massive rant against ATKINS/PALEO/XFIT MORONS.

Great Limey, keep taking your cheap little shots at me. Sad.

The REASON many threads are "hijacked" (that's BS by the way) by me and turn into me bashing atkins/paleo/x-fit advice, is because every time there is a nutrition thread, those fanatics are the ones that immediately appear and say with any out shred of doubt: 'CUT Carbs! Eat more sat fat! carbs will literally kill you. Wheat is the worst food in history. The more meat the better!' Every god-dang time. I simply appear, and correct their nonsense, because most simply have zero clue what they are talking about. But I suppose I should just join the mob and say: 'Yup, they're right. Take Bad Wigin's advice: more meat, more liver, less veggies, very few carbs.' It's garbage advice and I call people like him, and you, out on it.

And what do YOU add to these threads? Nothing that I've seen. Cheap shots at me, unreferenced conclusions, and cryptic statements about the cause of obesity (are you EVER going to tell me what you think the root cause of the obesity epidemic is, since you obviously don't agree with me?). And possibly a name-change or two to take more pathetic shots at me. Really, really sad.

Oh wait, you've pointed us to Meb's diet. He's fast, so yeah, it must be a good diet. (I am sure it is fine, but I guarantee you it ain't low carb, or paleo, or atkins or Taubes-approved)

Bad Wigins wrote:

Eat more meat and fewer vegetables.

Everything you eat with fiber in it fills you up and prevents you from eating more, and interferes with the digestion of what else you can eat. The bananas for example. The bread in the sandwiches. You get fewer calories both by mass and volume.

Also eat liver at least every few days.

as usual, terrible advice, He should not avoid fiber containing foods (fruits, veggies, tubers, whole grains, legume, nuts, seeds, etc, etc), HORRIBLE advice. Those are all fantastic, nutritious foods, and fiber intake is still linked to many positive health outcomes.

Nothing wrong with some meat consumption, but it's also certainly not necessary for a healthy diet. Many vegetarians are some of the healthiest people on earth.

Tyrannosaurus Rexing wrote:

* decades of research, across the globe, based on 1000's and 1000's of papers STRONGLY link CVD to high sat fat/high cholesterol intake.

Sure. Please send links to these studies strongly linking CVD to high saturated fat/high cholesterol intake. If this research is indeed out there, I think that I should be aware of it. And if there are actually thousands of these papers out there, it shouldn't be difficult to post 10-15 that provide good evidence.

Secondly, let's all take a deep breath and remember that this is a running website, and that American running is kicking ass for the first time in a long while.

if you want to improve worry about training more/better, not whether or not your diet is PERFECT. that is the 5% - putting in the work is the 95%. unless you are overweight (thus eating to much) or getting light-headed & not fueled for workouts (thus eating too little), what you are eating is FINE. WORRY ABOUT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING - GETTING YOUR BUTT OUT THE DOOR!

Foodrunner wrote:

Just curious as to how my nutrition intake looks to others. I keep a consistent schedule for the most part, mainly because of work but not sure if what I'm doing now is right. Here it is:

Morning:

Pb+j sandwich, banana, apple

Lunch:

2 pb+j sandwiches, banana, and a side plate of either pizza or chicken

Mid-day:

Pb+j sandwich and apple

Dinner:

Always a mix of chicken and beef with veggies and pasta

Late snack:

Piece of cake or something similar

On the weekends for breakfast, I make a plate consisting of 5 eggs, 5 pieces of bacon, toast, and an apple and banana.

If needed I train at a pretty high level with my mileage topping out at over 100 mpw some weeks. Is this a healthy diet or am I doing this wrong. Thanks for the help.

Here's how I look at diet:

1) High Carbs

2) Low Fats

3) Don't be a fatty (aka no junk food)

4) Fruits and/or veggies at least once a day

5) Don't eat meat (causes cancer and heart disease)

6) Following rules 1-5, just east whatever tastes good.

Tyrannosaurus Rexing wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

Eat more meat and fewer vegetables.

Everything you eat with fiber in it fills you up and prevents you from eating more, and interferes with the digestion of what else you can eat. The bananas for example. The bread in the sandwiches. You get fewer calories both by mass and volume.

Also eat liver at least every few days.

as usual, terrible advice, He should not avoid fiber containing foods (fruits, veggies, tubers, whole grains, legume, nuts, seeds, etc, etc), HORRIBLE advice. Those are all fantastic, nutritious foods, and fiber intake is still linked to many positive health outcomes.

Nothing wrong with some meat consumption, but it's also certainly not necessary for a healthy diet. Many vegetarians are some of the healthiest people on earth.

Putting aside your cliche nonsense about vegetables being healthy and nutritious foods, I refer you to the "calorically insufficient" part of my post that you pointedly didn't quote. When you are running 100MPW, you're not going to get enough calories if you eat a lot of fiber and resistant starches, particularly since they must be digested in the gut which a runner must clear daily while training.

Protein and fat - which meat is made entirely of - is digested entirely in the stomach and small intestine. The only caveat to eating protein is to wait a few hours before exercising due to the metabolic energy it takes to digest it. Most runners with any sense already do that no matter what they eat.

Ever heard of vegetables, esp green ones?

Dinner - stir fries & brown rice.

Lunch - pasta salad, tuna, corn, peas, other veg. More lean protein.

4 x PB & J sandwiches a day?