bands that suck

I'm glad someone mentioned Gang of Four and Mission of Burma. Both had great albums. Both Entertainment! and Signals, Calls, and Marches are some of my favorite albums.

Kick ass list Twobags

my $0.02:

Thought Riot

Strike Anywhere

NOFX

The Vandals (hard to believe twobags left this out)

Straight Faced

Belvedere

The Code

Only Crime

Strung Out

$wingin' Utter$

Dickies

Kid Dynamite

I really hate Simple Plan, I really hope I se those guys in public, i will so call them fags to their face and take their groupies..

HA HA HA

Before Simple Plan....singer and drummer were in a fairly political, montreal punk band called "Reset".

Their fisrt album "No Worries" is pretty damn rad...you have to listen really really closely to tell that it is in fact the same dude singing....butt he song writing far exceeds that of simple plan, and instrumentally...no contest

I think to find good punk you first need to find some good punk bands and then find out what their influences were and work backwords from here. An important thing to remember when listening to punk music is to not associate noise and/ or and anti everything mentality (i.e. "f*** it" attitude). Being a punk is about a state of mind and is not a tangible thing that one can buy or say. This is totally contrary to what people are left to believe. It sickens me to see what people think being a punk is. It is not shopping at Hot Topic, hating everything, or being a f*** up. Most iportantly it is not how you dress. To add credence to this arguement I would say that most people would associate Joey Ramone with being a sort of god father to punk music. Well Joey Ramone was a staunch republican and once said that Ronald Reagan was one of his favorite people. Not exactly what you would consider punk.

Some good bands have already been given. I for one was born and raised in Southern Cal so I am partial to SoCal bands like Black Flag, Bad Religion, Social Distortion (new album Tuesday), Face to Face, X, Pennywise, the Germs, etc... these are just off the top of my head.

Punk does not suck wrote:

To add credence to this arguement I would say that most people would associate Joey Ramone with being a sort of god father to punk music. Well Joey Ramone was a staunch republican and once said that Ronald Reagan was one of his favorite people. Not exactly what you would consider punk.

Being a self-proclaimed punk rocker, you don't even have your own story straight, which is typical of such people. That's why the punk movement gets ridiculed, more so than because of bands like Yellowcard. For a philosophy that preaches such open-mindedness and the go-your-own-way approach, you just shot your own arguement in the foot with the above statement. So what if Joey was into Republicans? Just because so many other young people are into Democrats, does Joey have to be the same? According to stupid f***in' punk logic, apparently he does, which cancels out their whole stupid arguement to begin with. He needs to fit into the same mold as all the other people he surrounds himself with. Not exactly open-minded. Not even close. I used to identify myself with the punk movement, and then I turned 13 and saw how utterly and completely hypocritical and silly it was. Now I just listen to the music:

Fugazi

Black Flag

The Birthday Party

Bad Religion

Jawbreaker

Social Distortion

Screeching Weasel

The Riverdales

Sound and vision,

You totally misconstrued my point. My point is that there is no "mold" of which punk rock, or punk mentality, is made of. You actually helped to make my point that most people would consider punks as being uber liberal (maybe even bordering on anarchististic). Well then you have Joey Ramone who was a self proclaimed conservative.

Now re-examine your statement "For a philosophy that preaches such open-mindedness and the go-your-own-way approach, you just shot your own arguement in the foot with the above statement. So what if Joey was into Republicans? Just because so many other young people are into Democrats, does Joey have to be the same?" Well my friend, no he doesnt and that was the point I was making. Punks come in all shapes and forms (pardon the expression) and there is not one cookie cutter approach to what a punk is.

I have nothing a matter with bands like Yellowcard. They are fine. My problem with them is that they have become a corporate selling machine because the big wigs in all of the record companies are selling as being punk. With that selling has come the close mindedness. Throw some tattoos on somebody and have them sing loud and all of a sudden you have a punk band. For f*** sake they are even trying to sell Avril Lavigne as being punk. This is the problem with punk music. A good way to illustrate this is back in the early to mid eighties when punk was just to harsh for most of the American public to stomach. So then one record executive decides to maybe repackage punk and call it New Wave. New Wave then goes on to become the "it" music for much of the mid eighties. As Joe Strummer once said (I'm paraphrasing) that New Wave, and the bands that make it, didnt have the guts to take it all the way. The counterculture has now become the popular culture and with it everything that was pure about punk and all of its ideals has become watered down.

Punk does not suck wrote:

Punks come in all shapes and forms (pardon the expression) and there is not one cookie cutter approach to what a punk is.

Throw some tattoos on somebody and have them sing loud and all of a sudden you have a punk band. For f*** sake they are even trying to sell Avril Lavigne as being punk. This is the problem with punk music.

Your story still isn't straight. First off, you DID say that Johnny Ramone was "not very punk" because of his linkage with Republican ideology. So yes, you are saying thayt if someone is not liberal and doesn't fall into the same mold as everyone else, then they are NOT punk. But the other caveat to your logic is that perhaps he is more punk than anyone else since he's breaking the punk stereotype, correct?

But then is there is "not one cookie cutter approach" to punk, then who are you to say if Avril is not punk? She (or her record company) obviously thinks she is, so how can you say that she is not? Did you write the Punk Bible? You punks need to define yourselves a bit better.

Sound and vision,

First off, I never professed to be a punk, nor did I profess to know everything about it. I merely am giving my thoughts. Your statement "You punks need to define yourselves a bit better," is exactly whats wrong with people like you. You need to have a f***ing label or definition to everything. Why must a person define themselves?

Also, I never said "that Johnny Ramone was 'not very punk' because of his linkage with Republican ideology." I said "not exactly what you would consider punk." My point then, as it is now, is that many people associate punk mentality as being one particular way with a very narrow scope. I was just using Johnny Ramone as a way to show that it is much broader than what people perceive it to be. This same principal goes for Avril Lavigne. She got labeled a punk because she wears baggy Dickies, All-Stars (Converse), does not wear makeup, and because she is the "anti-Britney." All of these traits were given to her by a record company. I hardly think that she was like this before the record company signed her and made her into what they, the record company, perceive a punk to be. I firmly believe that being a punk is more of a state of mind, not of a tangible look or mold. I think that people like Avril are not punk because they truly dont feel this way and are simply exploiting it for financial gain and notereity.

What makes a runner? I dont think it is a time in a particular distance. It is about thinking like one and living your life one. For everyone this will be different- there is no one answer. However, regardless of the person, anyone who considers themself to be a true runner will be a runner regardless of what others think of them or of whatever is the flavor of the moment. Just because you buy a pair of running shoes, wear running clothes, and enter the local 5K does not make you a runner. You may be someone who runs, but by no means are you a runner. Running is about a state of being. This same philosophy goes for being a punk.

Lets not just dwell on the pop-punk genre in which you are referring. Let us broaden this discussion to the pseudo-satanist, I eat children for breakfast, I will growl at you if you f*** with me genre. What about christian music, which is a derivative of bad music that is 3 yrs old.

Punk does not suck wrote:

Sound and vision,

First off, I never professed to be a punk, nor did I profess to know everything about it. I merely am giving my thoughts. Your statement "You punks need to define yourselves a bit better," is exactly whats wrong with people like you. You need to have a f***ing label or definition to everything. Why must a person define themselves?

Why are you asking me that question? It's punks who do that shit the most, and you're sitting here telling me who is punk and who is not, like your the St. Peter of punk.

And I fail to understand your logic in saying Avril isn't punk when you support it with an arguement like "it is much broader than what people perceive it to be," and you turn it right around by narrowing that very scope you talk about by dictating what she is or is not. It's a self-contradiction that punks seem to corner the philosophic market in.

Speaking of philosophy, that is what punk is, albiet one that is dominated by logical fallacies like the ones you keep recycling for all of us to see. Running, on the other hand, is an activity, not a state of mind. I have no idea where you got that, but like your punk philosophy, it doesn't add up. Running is no more a state of mind or being than baseball is.