California International Marathon

Yes, two guys have tested positive in that group and another guy had some massive improvement in a rapid period of time after joining them. Then the agent is a lady who was the best female MD runner in Russia, during the 90s, during the heavy EPO era. Most of the time, where there's heavy smoke, there's fire. Hopefully CIM had some testing.

Raptured wrote:

The last 10k apparently had a somewhat of a headwind, and he picked off quite a few guys in the last 10k, so it's not really much of a blowup. Also, Jake's PR was 2:21:46 at Utah Valley Marathon, so it's still a minute+ PR. Definitely his best performance in the marathon.

I ran the race this morning and I would say conditions were pretty nice. I slowed down a bit in the last 10k too; I would credit that to the first 20 miles of running rather than any sort of headwind. Here were the conditions today:

At the end the was a breeze coming out of the north, so it would have come across us as the last few miles are all due west.

Despite the forecasts for wind from the north in Sacramento, there was indeed a headwind for the last several miles. Nothing crazy, but definitely noticeable.

Anyone see results beyond top 10 anywhere?

Collin, stop posting about me on Letsrun.

this is sad, the results on the CIM website gives nothing right now...

mathemagician wrote:

Anyone see results beyond top 10 anywhere?

I thought it was miserable out there today. My feet and hands were frozen the entire way - probably should have opted for some thermo socks and some waterproof gloves. Lessons learned, I guess. Also took a spill on a patch of ice at the second fluid station, banged up my knee and couldn't get into a rhythm after that. The hills on the middle part of the course were also steeper than I had expected, both up and down. Not sure why this is billed as such a fast course. Just an all around crappy day.

Hebron KY wrote:

Yes, two guys have tested positive in that group and another guy had some massive improvement in a rapid period of time after joining them. Then the agent is a lady who was the best female MD runner in Russia, during the 90s, during the heavy EPO era. Most of the time, where there's heavy smoke, there's fire. Hopefully CIM had some testing.

Hebron KY: Which two guys tested positive? What did they test positive for? When? Who had the massive improvement? Over what period of time? What was the massive improvement? After joining when, with who, and where? Who is the female MD runner from Russia? How fast did she run during her career? Did she ever test positive for any illegal drugs? Do others beyond you suspect her of cheating? If so then who else? What drugs? When? Was she punished?

You are the person creating the smoke. Show us the fire. How about some detail?

All runners at CIM knew there was drug testing. I don't know if the testing was actually done but I hope it was. Because all this smoke and inuendo is not helpful. We need facts. Names, time, location.

Can you explain why you care so much about this topic to create the smoke? Where you, or someone you care about, or the sport in some way harmed that you need to post these unspecific claims? What is your agenda?

Who are you? What is your name, not your alias. Give us your email address and background.

all the complaining about the cold weather at CIM from soft CA boys is hilarious.

Quim wrote:

I thought it was miserable out there today. My feet and hands were frozen the entire way - probably should have opted for some thermo socks and some waterproof gloves. Lessons learned, I guess. Also took a spill on a patch of ice at the second fluid station, banged up my knee and couldn't get into a rhythm after that. The hills on the middle part of the course were also steeper than I had expected, both up and down. Not sure why this is billed as such a fast course. Just an all around crappy day.

Looks downhill to me.

http://cdn1.sportngin.com/attachments/photo/0589/2778/courseelev.jpg

midwest boy in CA wrote:

all the complaining about the cold weather at CIM from soft CA boys is hilarious.

Look at the results. 1st and 2nd were two Kenyan runners who have run 2:10 or faster. They ran 2:14+ at CIM.

The 2:11 Ethiopian marathoner dropped out in the final miles.

It was cold. It is true that the marathoners more accustomed to cold weather ran relatively better. But the warm weather runners took a bulk of the prize money. Calling runners from warmer climates "soft" because they had trouble with a sub freezing temperature with a moderate headwind is a comment from a person who doesn't understand road racing.

From what I could see from the results, those who aren't used to a sub-freezing temperature for a marathon ran very tough. I wouldn't call them soft.

10mph wind affects it a bit. In comparison, Seattle marathon had a 25mph headwind gusting to 35mph headwind for the last two-three miles for anyone over three hours. Same wind at the start.

http://ww.sailflow.com/windandwhere.iws?regionID=1664&location_id=4375&days=7&Isection=Wind+Yesterday

midwest boy in CA wrote:

this is sad, the results on the CIM website gives nothing right now...

midwest boy in CA: Try this link ...

I know that you think California runners are soft. But at least CA runners can figure out how to look up results on the internet. Do you have the internet in the midwest? I know there is a time difference between California and the midwest but I didn't think we'd have to turn our watches back 15 years.

Let me know if you need more help in looking up results. I'm happy to help you.

To answer your question, the group based in Hebron KY is LM Elite Running, managed by former Russian MD runner, Larisa Mikhaylova

No innuendo here, just facts. Known dopers in the group are:

Jynocel Basweti - Steroids

Nixon Cherutich - Steroids

Shitaye Gemechu - She holds the distinction of being the first Ethiopian to ever test positive for EPO. Came back from suspension and LM is more than happy to manage her.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shitaye_Gemechu

and to top it all off, LM's been working with Aissa Dghoughi, who didn't just serve a suspension for fleeing a dope test - he is a known distributor of dope.

Kudo's to LM for running such a clean operation, and to Spira for generously supporting them!

More about Dghoughi

Moroccan runner Aissa Dghoughi has been suspended for three years until December 27th 2009 for escaping a control. Closely related to Frenchwoman Latifa Essarokh, who failed a test for stanozolol in 2006, Dghoughi had been spotted selling drugs around St Moritz. He had already made the headlines in early 2005 in France when EPO and growth hormone had been found in his car during a routine customs control.

And here's his bio from the LM Elite Running Club website:

http://lmeliterunningclub.com/profiles.php?id=13

Here's an article, translated, in which he details his distribution of drugs to other athletes.

From Le Monde, dated 26.07.07 and translated by Google:

"E French medium-distance race did not finish the spring cleaning begun at the summer 2006. According to our information, in a dated June 27 mail, the Moroccan half-founder Aïssa Dghoughi forwarded to the medical commission of the international Federation of athletics (IAAF) a list of French athletes to which it is shown to have provided doping products. In this letter, it also affirms that its compatriot Khalid Skah, Olympic champion of the 10.000 m in 1992 and champion of the world of cross-country race in 1990 and 1991, and a manager German athletes, Dorothee Paulmann, would have done as much of it.

Among the athletes blamed appear the ex-recordwoman of France of the 1.500 m Latifa Essarokh, and the ex-champion of France of cross-country races Khalid Zoubaa, which currently purge respective suspensions of two and three years for positive controls with the stanozolol (steroid anabolic) for the first and with the EPO for the second.

But Aïssa Dghoughi also quotes Yamina Bouchaouante, Julie Coulaud, recordwoman of France of the 3.000 m steeple, Bouchra Ghezielle, bronze medal-holder on 1.500 m with the championships of the world of 2005, Mustapha Tantan and Bouabdellah Tahri, former Co-recordman of Europe of the 3.000 m steeple.

Khalid Skah, according to him, provided products to Essarokh, Zoubaa and Bouchaouante. As for Dorothee Paulmann, which lives in Trier (Germany), former wife of a doctor, ex-triathlète and to manage approved by the IAAF of the Kenyan half-caster Edith Masai, it would provide “regularly” Bouabdellah Tahri in prohibited products."

There's more. If there's one thing we've learned over the last few years is that most of these allegations eventually prove themselves true.

Read more:

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=2042056#ixzz2mx3ImQHc

Any more questions Mr. or Ms. Clean Runners?

Clean Runners wrote:

How about you leave the rules, drug-testing, and punishment up to the appropriate US and international governing bodies and not try judge a runner by inuendo in the public domain. The US has moved beyond witch hunts.

How about you respect the First Amendment as well as try to use your head when it comes to this shit? It's absurd that you see any flaw in the logic of Hebron, KY; maybe the guy he's suspicious of is indeed clean, but you can hardly fault the logic of anyone suspecting otherwise.

People routinely throw hissy fits at "unwarranted" speculation, and as Hebron, KY pointed out, even on these rumor-choked forums, smoke has proven time and again to be a pretty reliable indicator of fire.

After Asme Leghzaoui, a member of Hussein Makke's traveling EPO circus 10+ years ago who set a WR for 8km (24:27), all sorts of people laughed at the Pollyannas who insisted she was clean until provne otherwise. Well, she was soon popped, and as usual none of those who had made baleful complaints about the "lynch mob" were anywhere to be seen. They had probably all moved on to complaining about "false" accusations of the latest soon-to-be-caught drug cheat.

This course is NOT IAAF recognized. No matter what you run on this course it can NOT be used as a qualifying time for Olympics or World Championships.

USATF will allow it for the trials because USATF has its own set of rules and IAAF does not care who runs in US Trials race.

i'm IN CA as my username might imply:) and thanks for the tracking link, but i already had that tho...the link that is supposed to give 10/25/100 etc. deep is the one not working & the link i was referring to. but i's cans used the internets thxn - so defensive;) get some rest big guy.

Clean Runners wrote:

midwest boy in CA wrote:

this is sad, the results on the CIM website gives nothing right now...

midwest boy in CA: Try this link ...

http://runsra.com/results/index.cfm?raceid=1065

I know that you think California runners are soft. But at least CA runners can figure out how to look up results on the internet. Do you have the internet in the midwest? I know there is a time difference between California and the midwest but I didn't think we'd have to turn our watches back 15 years.

Let me know if you need more help in looking up results. I'm happy to help you.

Awesome!!

Thank you Hebron KY. You stated a lot of so-called facts. You are obviously very good at Googling on the Internet to support your very strong personal agenda which we can discuss at a later point in time if you allow me. I think I can destroy almost every point that you wrote above if I get the opportunity. The bigger question is your motive, and I'll give my motive if allowed, and we can enter into a conversation.

You avoided the most important questions. You asked ... "Any more questions Mr. or Ms. Clean Runners?"

Yes! Absolutely yes!! You avoided the most important questions. What is your real name and what is your background? Why do you care about what you just wrote? If you are somehow connected with WADA and/or the US or International governing body then speak up and identify yourself.

If you are just an interested running fan who googles a lot then say that. If you are a coach or an athlete who has somehow been harmed then explain it.

I'd like to understand why you've invested so much time and energy into this topic.

You know, I don't have any proof that top-level bodybuilders and WWE wrestlers use any PEDs, so I should wholeheartedly commit to the idea that they are clean.