Mo Farah the 1500m runner vs Mo Farah the NOP runner

he was a 5k runner

( probably 3k was hitting-zone )

who did enough mileage to be at his 10k potential

he was NEVER a 1500 guy

he wouda topped out at

3'31-flat

if he'd stayed pre-sal & moved to 1500

he is a 3k/5k guy, capable, because of sal who developed him enough speed, whilst maintaining full endurance to run

simultaneously

3'28/26'30

mo has likely put in brutal weights, meaning lotsa heavy reps of squats/benches/shoulder-presses/hamstring curls/calf-pushes/curls/lat pull-downs/etc

get a clue

all elite distance guys have the

"aerobic base"

to run 3'28 off it & likely abilty to demolish the 3k wr off it, you need

lotsa heavy weights

ventolin^3 wrote:

all elite distance guys have the

"aerobic base"

to run 3'28 off it & likely abilty to demolish the 3k wr off it, you need

lotsa heavy weights

So would lotsa heavy weights enable Wilson Kipsang to run, say, sub-3:30?

he is already in 26'15 - 26'25 shape in his M form

i'd give his prelim in berlin as

~ 54.0 / 1'52.0 ->

3'36.8

4'53.3

7'28.6

12'46.1

26'22.2

to

~ 54.0 / 1'51.9 ->

3'36.5

4'52.7

7'27.6

12'43.9

26'16.4

these estimates are no different to tergat, especially considering he was a heavily beat-up-past-his-peak guy when moving upto M

kenyans have produced

lotsa tergats

last 15y

i'd offer geoffey 10s better off that 10k range in his '11 new york shape

problem for track is that they are all on the roads...

As one famous coach once said, "Drill, plyos and weights - that's code for doping."

The idea that Farah - your standard happy to make the final sub-13 guy, who already was going to Africa to train - suddenly got serious and got a good coach and now runs 3:28 at age 30 and is unbeatable at 5k/10k just doesn't pass the sniff test.

Wake up people.

Here' the ages of 7 fastest men ever at 1500 at the time of their pbs.

El G - 23

Lagat - 26

Morcel - 25

Kiprop - 23

Ngeny - 21

Farah - 30

What jumps out at you? Farah's age and the fact he's a 10k/5k guy.

He's 7th all time at 1500? Really?

Because he started lifting weights and/or got serious? Really. He was so un-serious that he alreayd was running 12:57. Give me a break people.

And Rupp, who couldn't outkick anyone for most of college, is suddenly a 3:50 miler, because they lift weights? As if no one had ever thought of that before.

Man. Most people stop believing in Santa by age 10.

And you want to change your training to be like them? You better have a good pharmacist.

It reminds me of Lance. You may want it to be true, but it's not.

You don't run sub 13 on lackluster or half assed training.

Come on. This is just like when Lance 'trained harder than anyone else'.

scared to say my name wrote:

?

Because he started lifting weights and/or got serious? Really. He was so un-serious that he alreayd was running 12:57. Give me a break people.

And Rupp, who couldn't outkick anyone for most of college, is suddenly a 3:50 miler, because they lift weights? As if no one had ever thought of that before.

Yeah, and he PRed by 4 seconds, that is too much for any rational person to believe!

And do we mean the Galen Rupp who ran 4:01 in high school?

farah is not a 5k/10k guy

He is a 3k/5k guy

3k being his sweet spot

he can run very well at distances immediately above & below, namely the 1500/5000

rupp ran 3'50 this year

he ran 4'01 9 years ago

what is so hard to believe

ventolin^3 wrote:

to run 3'28 off it & likely abilty to demolish the 3k wr off it, you need

lotsa heavy weights

So, that's why Kenyans are dominating the 1500?

coachkritter wrote:

So, that's why Kenyans are dominating the 1500?

It's why El G ran sub 3'30 for 1500m 33 times.

And why he ran 3'28.point for 1500m en route to his mile WR, a time that only one person has bettered in the past 9 years.

And kenyans are dominating the 1500? Last I checked there were zero kenyan medalists in the OG 1500 last year and only one kenyan medalist at worlds in moscow. I'd hardly call that dominating.

coachkritter wrote:

So, that's why Kenyans are dominating the 1500?

:

Moscow medalists in 800/1500 men+women:

USA 4

Kenya 3

No one in history has ever been 54.0/1'52.

54 for 1 lap and 56 for 2?

Moron.

mo crossed over to the ped lane

thats how he did it

weights and speed dont suddenly make you a world beater

Surely before deciding what Mo Farah was before Salazar you should look at his previous coach to see if he has any idea what he is doing ? Salazar has nade all sorts of comments about Mo's strength/conditioning etc but are those comments true or dubious ? It seems to me that few, if any, posting on this thread know anything about Mo's previous coach.

Who was Mo's previous coach? Didn't Canova offer to coach him? I thought he was being self-coached for the period before he signed up with Salazar

Canova ofered advice, but that is nothing new from someone with his enthusiasm. No Mo wasnt self-coached before he joined Salazar but UK Athletics didnt want his old coach to gain any credit for Mo's performances so he wasnt allowed to admit what was going on.

Mo was coached for his senior life by Alan Storey, who was the leading coach in the UK. He and UKA fell out after Beijing Olympics and Ian Stewart headed up Endurance. Stewart was paranoid about Storey receiving credit, so nobody was allowed to mention him ! Hilarious.

Storey coached 3 Olympic medalists, at 5k 10k and chase - 2 Brits, 1 Irish, 2 London Marathon winners. Mark Nenow to his track 27.20. Included Mark Rowland who now coaches for Nike US. Also coached numerous medalists at World Champs, World Cross, Euro Champs etc. 10 sub 28 min track 10k, probably 10 sub 2.13 marathon.

So are you basically saying that this is another case of Salazar receiving all the credit, in the same way that he did with Ritz at the AR 5k and Centro for the 1500 world bronze? Had Mo already put in the bulk of the necessary work under Storey?

someone had to do it wrote:

And kenyans are dominating the 1500? Last I checked there were zero kenyan medalists in the OG 1500 last year and only one kenyan medalist at worlds in moscow. I'd hardly call that dominating.

Don't be dumb ventolin. Medals have nothing to do with this. It's about their TIMES not their racing skills. Timewise, Kenyans are certainly dominating the 1500.

I think I am saying that it is highly unlikely that Mo was not conditioned or reasonably strong before he left the UK. What worries me is why Salazar would say that when, those people who matter in the UK know, it isnt true.

Mo has a better training group, has great support services, a full time coach, so why lie about something so obviously false ?

someone had to do it wrote:

farah is not a 5k/10k guy

He is a 3k/5k guy

3k being his sweet spot

he can run very well at distances immediately above & below, namely the 1500/5000

Which is why his 1500m time is better than his 3000m times and his 5000m times? You're delusional. This year, he was primarily a 1500m runner. Perhaps in 2012 or 2011 he was a 3k or 5k guy, but in 2013 he clearly lost some endurance. If you deny this, then you don't know what you're talking about.