If strides are not supposed to be all-out, why is lifting?

Live not on eviL wrote:

It seems to me that strides and weight-lifting do quite similar things for distance runners. Both are neuromuscular training. Both are (hopefully) training running-specific muscles, often in running-specific motions. Yet neither is exactly distance running itself, so it seems to me you get greater benefit out of including them in your training, for sure, but conserving energy for the real stuff to an extent.

Do people agree? Why or why not?

'ppreciate it,

Greg

Your question is a little incoherent, but if I got the gist of it -- lifting doesn't need to be all out either. Especially if you're actually lifting -- as opposed to that core noise -- you should rarely go all out.

I am trying to understand the question too.

Hill sprints and flat sprints, not strides, are the running equivalent of weight lifting.

Strides are fer feckin warming up, aren't they?

the strides that i do a few days a week are pretty close to all out

either 800m pace or faster. if i'm feeling good i really try to sprint as fast as i can, and i think that i can thank them for my good kick

however, if i have a race the next day, i'll cap it at 800m pace

Live not on eviL wrote:

It seems to me that strides and weight-lifting do quite similar things for distance runners. Both are neuromuscular training. Both are (hopefully) training running-specific muscles, often in running-specific motions. Yet neither is exactly distance running itself, so it seems to me you get greater benefit out of including them in your training, for sure, but conserving energy for the real stuff to an extent.

Do people agree? Why or why not?

'ppreciate it,

Greg

Weights are not for neuromuscular training. They are for getting stronger.

I you saying there are running programs that include all-out lifting?

None that I have ever seen or heard of.

OK, I'll try to clarify. In my experience, runners don't do strides all-out, usually not even close, maybe 800-mile pace. In the weight room though, my perception is that runners lift as much weight as they can for each set, or very close to it.

Now, since they are both aimed at improving form and efficiency, strengthening running muscles etc, why are they not done at similar intensities? In strides, I think you avoid going all-out to maintain good form and conserve energy you do not need to expend - so why is the same not true in the weight room?

Skuj, I really don't think most people use strides as just a warmup. Sure, they often fit well there and should help warm you up, but I think they're for form and efficiency primarily.

jobin, are you a mid-d guy? I would not do well off of sprints in place of traditional strides.