trulyr tf wrote:
My aunt taught for 25 years and her last year she was making $132k.
You're aunt is in the top 0.01% my friend. Bus drivers and garbage collectors get paid more than teachers.
trulyr tf wrote:
My aunt taught for 25 years and her last year she was making $132k.
You're aunt is in the top 0.01% my friend. Bus drivers and garbage collectors get paid more than teachers.
joeexotic9 wrote:
Everytime I visit this forum I am shocked at the salaries people are coming up with. Six figures for teaching? In the UK you get about 30 grand which is $40,000 but teachers are overworked, deal with shocking pupil behaviour and bullying management.
+1
Everybody talks about the pensions but teachers pay into them greatly. In Missouri the teacher retirement system takes 14% of every pay check to put in the retirement system. The school district also pays in 14%. What other job do you have 14% of your income automatically withheld????
100% match up to 14 % ? I would take that!
Random Google Search...
Louisville, KY...middle America....Jefferson County Public School System:
https://portal.ksba.org/public/Meeting/Attachments/DisplayAttachment.aspx?AttachmentID=617613
So 4yr degree plus your cert gets you close to 45k for 9 months of work straight out of school.....which is probably not 100% accurate because I don't really know what all the extras mean.
Still not bad.
Alan
flyingfrog wrote:
100% match up to 14 % ? I would take that!
Most states don't do that. You have what you alone put in.
Runningart2004 wrote:
Random Google Search...
Louisville, KY...middle America....Jefferson County Public School System:
https://portal.ksba.org/public/Meeting/Attachments/DisplayAttachment.aspx?AttachmentID=617613So 4yr degree plus your cert gets you close to 45k for 9 months of work straight out of school.....which is probably not 100% accurate because I don't really know what all the extras mean.
Still not bad.
Alan
The way I see it, I get laid off for 3 months. I'd work more if I could, but that's all these annual contracts offer.
Runningart2004 wrote:
Random Google Search...
Louisville, KY...middle America....Jefferson County Public School System:
https://portal.ksba.org/public/Meeting/Attachments/DisplayAttachment.aspx?AttachmentID=617613So 4yr degree plus your cert gets you close to 45k for 9 months of work straight out of school.....which is probably not 100% accurate because I don't really know what all the extras mean.
Still not bad.
Alan
Among a lot of other unmentioned hurdles and obstacles toward a teaching career one item that jumps out at me is that little ref to "cert."
Things change over time and from state to state requirements differ, but in California back in my time you had to earn a *credential.* the path to getting a Standard Secondary teaching credential was long, circuitous, and expensive. Took me 18 Mos. Then "student teaching" without pay for a semester. Later, to shift into Special Ed. I had to go to evening classes for two semesters to get the credential for that.
I imagine there are all kinds of processes in various states but, unless things have changed a lot in the credential racket, or the covid crisis has forced a shortening of the bridge, it was an arduous, costly labyrinth to become a full fledged teacher.
*And then you find out that very little of the training and classes prepared you for actual daily teaching, student and classroom management or how to survive the puzzle palace of administration and real kids and parents.
2323423 wrote:
Baller benefits[/ Not really, not anymore. I don't have any dental coverage.
no performance expectations- we get observed multiple times a year and we're judged on the students' test scores.
]3-month paid vacation.- vacations aren't paid (and it's 2 months over the summer, not 3). I get paid for 180 days and most years work 183-185.
Yeah, that sucks. Sure, the pay isn't great, but you really aren't doing much anyways.
- so you're wrong.
fu+ck my teacher
Education wrote:
Super Jay Five wrote:
The REASON 95% of kids have a very dull future ahead of them is because the school system is stupid. Instead of teaching a bunch of useless information teach them what they need to know so their future is BETTER! Teach them SKILLS and knowledge to start their own business and make money! It is not money that is the root of evil is the LACK of it!
No matter what you teach, 95% of em will still end up on welfare, in jail, pregnant with multiple baby daddies, or at best working some trade like plumbing or truck driving. Why waste brain power trying to teach them biology.
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Oftenrunning52 wrote:
2323423 wrote:
Baller benefits, no performance expectations, 3-month paid vacation. Yeah, that sucks. Sure, the pay isn't great, but you really aren't doing much anyways.
Baller benefits- I do get health insurance, I pay a small percentage of the individual premium, I pay most of the premium for my wife and son, the insurance is not very good. The pension is good, assuming it survives the politicians stealing from it and then rewriting the law so they have to pay me even less than promised while I pay increasingly more into it each year. Really no other benefits after that. Vision and dental at my own expense. No bonuses or stock. I have my own retirement account that I pay into, but no matching contributions.
Performance expectations- formal observations every other year, informal observations all the time. Evaluation comes with the formal observations. Evaluation involves test scores, surveys, evidence collection, classroom data, and observations. Expectations are pretty high at my school, so I wouldn't say there are no performance expectations. Tenure has basically been gutted in my state as well, so there is little protection there.
3-month paid vacation- the district hires me to teach 180 days out of the year. They pay me for that time. They get much more than that out of me, but that is what they pay me for. If that translates to three months of paid vacation to you, so be it. That argument is old and boring.
Pay isn't great- agreed
I don't hate teaching. It is rewarding at times, frustrating at times, exhausting most of the time. I love coaching, and it is why, at least partly, I still teach.
The group on here who constantly wants to bask teaching is boring. You have the same hackneyed arguments which hold little water in the real world. Try to come up with something original, or better yet, find an actual teacher and find out what the profession really involves.
I'm married to one. She seems to think it is a fairly easy gig for the money.
She tells me the staff is polarized. Those that work the union and try to get out of doing anything at all that is not written in their contract, and those who do whatever they can to help the kids. There are very few in between.
trollololol wrote:
I have friends who are teachers. They openly admit to me that they recycle lesson plans from year to year and they rarely do any school related work after school hours. They just grade the tests and papers while the students are at lunch/gym/music class/etc.
Go work in behavioral health for a few months and then try complaining about being a teacher....
You have friends who are teachers? They say stuff. Then you vaguely refer to work in behavioral health. Then you wrap that up by suggesting that b.h. Is tough and teaching is soft. Somehow I’m not persuaded that you know anything about either.
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