• EIi
      • RE: Down Goes the Dow 10/11/2018 8:24PM - in reply to Ghost of Igloi
      • EIi
      • Ghost of Igloi wrote:

        Should we have a bet? Gentlemen’s bet, for honor.

        Honor among gentlemen is earned with guns. Instead of honor, let’s see if you’ve got the spine to make a real bet. Tomorrow you buy as much HSGFX as you wish. Let me know how much you invest and I’ll invest in an equal amount if TNA. I’m guessing you’ll wimp out.
    • Ghost of Igloi
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      • RE: Down Goes the Dow 10/11/2018 8:27PM - in reply to EIi
      • Ghost of Igloi
        registered
      • I just entered my trade $50,000 as of 10/12/2018 close.
    • EIi
      • RE: Down Goes the Dow 10/11/2018 8:48PM - in reply to Ghost of Igloi
      • EIi
      • Ghost of Igloi wrote:

        I just entered my trade $50,000 as of 10/12/2018 close.

        Now just show a photo of your redacted receipt and we’re on.

        If you don’t, then you lose the honor bet.
    • Ghost of Igloi
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      • RE: Down Goes the Dow 10/11/2018 9:04PM - in reply to EIi
      • Ghost of Igloi
        registered
      • No I don’t trust you because you are DD the troll. I cancelled the trade. Anyhow I proved the point that HSGFX was superior to TNA.
    • EIi
      • RE: Down Goes the Dow 10/11/2018 9:16PM - in reply to Ghost of Igloi
      • EIi
      • Ghost of Igloi wrote:

        No I don’t trust you because you are DD the troll. I cancelled the trade. Anyhow I proved the point that HSGFX was superior to TNA.

        Show us the cancellation confirmation. Or do you admit that you lack honor?
    • Not me
      • RE: Down Goes the Dow 10/11/2018 9:22PM - in reply to Ghost of Igloi
      • Not me
      • Ghost of Igloi wrote:

        Not me wrote:

        Ghost of Igloi wrote:

        HSGFX outperforming TNA on a YTD basis by +4%, boy that escalated quickly.

        I wouldn’t want to be in either of those funds right now.

        So what do you want to invest in?

        A CD ladder.
    • seatttle preattle
      • RE: Down Goes the Dow 10/12/2018 2:07AM - in reply to Not me
      • seatttle preattle
      • hello.
        Sold a fair amount on the way down early in the day but bought it all back (for today's trades) later in the day with long term holdings mostly untouched. My bet is this: reached bottom. That's my gut based on last hald day of traidng. Made a little bit on the day based on dya's trades but have seen a bout 10% depreciation off my highs of a couple of weeks ago.
        Sorry for the mess of a post- on sktechy laptop - but out of own on business and couldn't have picked a better time to step away from my obsession, but one's gotta do what one's gotta do....
        Had a nice run today in a beautiful part of this country.
        May try to get up early to get another run in before tomoorow's sessions but we'll see...
        Night!
    • Kalled on your BS
      • RE: Down Goes the Dow 10/12/2018 6:06AM - in reply to brackets and the word "quote" are your friend
      • Kalled on your BS
      • brackets and the word "quote" are your friend wrote:

        [quote]

        "You pay fees for etfs too, you know?"

        Nothing near the fees you pay for "actively managed" mutual funds.

        "That's a different discussion than what you brought up. Changing the subject to try and make a point is what you do when you are wrong."

        No. The claim was that ETFs have fees too but the pertinent fact is they are far less than managed funds. The fact you think you are making a valid point by asserting noting this is changing the topic is a frightening indictment of capacity to reason -- or perhaps just your honesty.

        No you don't wrote:
        "mutual funds make sense for buy and hold investors where the difference in price in the middle of the day and the end of the day is negligible compared to the difference in price on buy and sell date."

        Why?

        "If you don't understand this, you should stay out of the stock market."

        In other words, you cannot answer the simple question why.

        No you don't wrote:
        "Also, there is as much of a possibility that the delay will be beneficial as detrimental"

        Not true during a sell-off, obviously

        "No, it's not obvious."

        Really, during a massive sell-off it is as likely to be beneficial as detrimental that you cannot sell your asset asap?

        No you don't wrote:
        "value of mutual funds is the value of the holdings dividing by the number of shares in the mutual fund"

        Genius. And 2+2 = 4.

        "You're the one that asked the question"

        I don't see where I asked for some Forrest Gump/Sling Blade understanding of how to calculate the price (not the "value" by the way) of a share of a mutual fund.

        [quote]No you don't wrote:
        "value of everything else is what someone is willing to pay you for it".

        "This is not true of the "value of the holdings" for mutual funds?"

        How isn't it?

        You are scary stupid. Truly.
    • Dumb would be
      • RE: Down Goes the Dow 10/12/2018 6:08AM - in reply to Maserati
      • Dumb would be
      • [quote]Maserati wrote:

        Paranoid would be to believe that mutuals etc are delayed so that their orders can be tracked and the effect of those orders counteracted before they are executed

        Not sure what you are trying to say but....dumb would be to think it is not a disadvantage to be able to sell an asset immediately at a known price vs. having to wait to the end of the day to sell at a price that is not yet known.
    • Love these replies
      • RE: Down Goes the Dow 10/12/2018 6:10AM - in reply to agip
      • Love these replies
      • [quote]agip wrote:

        [quote]That must be it wrote:

        "The relationship between a spiking VIX and an equity bottom is basic investing knowledge - not controversial."

        Then why can't you explain how it works?
    • Euro Markets
      • RE: Down Goes the Dow 10/12/2018 6:57AM - in reply to Love these replies
      • Euro Markets
      • Euro markets a bit of a rebound today.

        I am guessing our markets will come back a bit early....then suspect will go back into the slide.
    • agip
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      • RE: Down Goes the Dow 10/12/2018 8:48AM - in reply to Love these replies
      • agip
        registered
      • Love these replies wrote:

        [quote]agip wrote:

        [quote]That must be it wrote:

        "The relationship between a spiking VIX and an equity bottom is basic investing knowledge - not controversial."

        Then why can't you explain how it works?
    • agip
      registered
      • RE: Down Goes the Dow 10/12/2018 8:49AM - in reply to Love these replies
      • agip
        registered
      • Love these replies wrote:

        [quote]agip wrote:

        [quote]That must be it wrote:

        "The relationship between a spiking VIX and an equity bottom is basic investing knowledge - not controversial."

        Then why can't you explain how it works?

        because I'm assuming we are all adults here with access to the interwebz. And can look up things.

        Here, I'll help:

        https://www.investopedia.com/terms/v/vix.asp
    • For God's sakes
      • RE: Down Goes the Dow 10/12/2018 10:34AM - in reply to agip
      • For God's sakes
      • agip wrote:

        Love these replies wrote:

        [quote]agip wrote:

        [quote]That must be it wrote:

        "The relationship between a spiking VIX and an equity bottom is basic investing knowledge - not controversial."

        Then why can't you explain how it works?

        because I'm assuming we are all adults here with access to the interwebz. And can look up things.

        Here, I'll help:

        https://www.investopedia.com/terms/v/vix.asp

        Just admit it. You cannot explain your claim.
    • agip
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      • RE: Down Goes the Dow 10/12/2018 10:38AM - in reply to For God's sakes
      • agip
        registered
      • For God's sakes wrote:

        agip wrote:

        Love these replies wrote:

        [quote]agip wrote:

        [quote]That must be it wrote:

        "The relationship between a spiking VIX and an equity bottom is basic investing knowledge - not controversial."

        Then why can't you explain how it works?

        because I'm assuming we are all adults here with access to the interwebz. And can look up things.

        Here, I'll help:

        https://www.investopedia.com/terms/v/vix.asp

        Just admit it. You cannot explain your claim.

        I call troll on you
        I don't usually respond to trolls
        Unless they get me really mad
        So have at it, if you want.
    • I read your cite
      • RE: Down Goes the Dow 10/12/2018 10:38AM - in reply to agip
      • I read your cite
      • agip wrote:

        "The relationship between a spiking VIX and an equity bottom is basic investing knowledge - not controversial."

        Then why can't you explain how it works?

        because I'm assuming we are all adults here with access to the interwebz. And can look up things.

        Here, I'll help:

        https://www.investopedia.com/terms/v/vix.asp[/quote]

        I read your cite and it in no way supports your claim that a spike in volatility as measured by VIX means an equity bottom is being reached. Just the opposite An increase in volatility is tied to a falling market.