Congrats to gay and lesbians, the US government cannot deny your legitimate marriage

Kenny Knisley wrote:

Government Cheese wrote:

Interestingly the only argument people have against this decision is religious and as you know there is a hard separation of church and state.

Today is the day the lord has made. Let us rejoice and be glad.

So if there is a, "hard separation of church and state" why does the state have anything to do with what ordained by God and has always been a religious ceremony? Quite a convenient way for you all to somehow hijack a religious rite for your own selfish reasons. Where's your logic?

Yes you are very right. The government has not place in marriage. Straight and gay couples should both enter into civil unions (or be treated just the same as single people) and religions/wedding planners can do what they god damn please as far as marriage is concerned.

Why? So you don't have to think about sodomy anymore? Sodomy is in YOUR mind. It will always be there. If you say these things in jest or as a troll, then shame on you as well. It's not funny. What kind of human being are you? If you were saying these things out loud to people at your church or on TV, would you be proud? Or are these things you only say anonymously because you know if you did say them as yourself you couldn't stand the scrutiny? Take a look at yourself. What I see is someone who writes hypocritical and tyrannical words. For if you truly believed in the word of Jesus, then you would do unto others as you would have them do to you. You would not wish death on others. You would defend gays because you would want to be defended if you were in their position. You would want to be freed if the majority was saying you can't marry the person you love. Remember, that with every action you make, which includes the things you write, you change the universe forever. Your words of hate and violence make the universe that much more so. You have added that to the universe. It will return to you. Remember that what you sow you shall reap. Your thoughts, emotions, and actions are powerful, and you can't escape what you sow. So which is it? Do unto others as you would have then do to you? Or do whatever you want to others, be free and not let them be free? You want to create a universe where posts such as your exist? Where action such as yours exist? If you focus on this, it will come back to you, and you will be responsible. You reap what you sow. Sow what you truly want others to give to you: love, compassion, freedom, and defense of the minority. Look at yourself. Do you have Christ in your heart? Or evil? Christ would do unto others as he would want others to do unto him. That rule is all that matters.

the 800 is a fun race wrote:

Kenny Knisley wrote:

So if there is a, "hard separation of church and state" why does the state have anything to do with what ordained by God and has always been a religious ceremony? Quite a convenient way for you all to somehow hijack a religious rite for your own selfish reasons. Where's your logic?

Yes you are very right. The government has not place in marriage. Straight and gay couples should both enter into civil unions (or be treated just the same as single people) and religions/wedding planners can do what they god damn please as far as marriage is concerned.

My religious takes aside, I agree with you on the separation of church and state. Marriage licenses should be voluntary and only to protect your rights as a partner (in any subsequent legal decisions like end-of-life and divorce). People marry for all sorts of reasons, not just procreation and love. It's not the governments business as to why they do. I also have no problem with polygamy or any consenting adults entering into a group marriage. Consenting ADULTS. Not 13 year-old girls in some Utah cultish thing. By the same token, I don't believe corporations and business should have to pay for the health care of anyone but the individual who actually works for them (if they are to be forced to pay benefits, which they shouldn't be). Group benefits should be paid by the individual. Though I believe in government universal health care like in Sweden or Canada, which would take the onus off of business. Health care shouldn't be a worry, it shouldn't be a privilege that only a select group enjoy, I have money and should pay for people who don't have it, and taxes is the best way to do this. I have no problem with this. I wouldn't want to be left out in the cold without care, and huge medical bills I can never pay piling up and essentially putting me in a debtor's prison for a tumor or heart attack. We should care for each other more, and make it easier for everyone. But I digress ( that's my Christianity rearing it's wonderful head again. Do unto others... I apologize for the digression)

Earth to nimrod wrote:

Um, Lance is not a conservative. He has not hidden the fact that he is a socialist libertarian.

Make that GAY socialist libertarian. (see above)

Updater wrote:

Earth to nimrod wrote:

Um, Lance is not a conservative. He has not hidden the fact that he is a socialist libertarian.

Make that GAY socialist libertarian. (see above)

He could have used a vacuuming tool or a turkey baster at the morgue, perhaps he's does autopsies, or is an undertaker.

I'm not gay but more bi. But libtards like you always want to label people. I can play that game too, fvcktard. Get a life. No homo.

Earth to nimrod wrote:

Tyrannosaurus Rexing wrote:

Yeah, I know that it *seems* nearly impossible that anyone could be that stupid, but...... most conservatives simply are THAT dumb. If you have ever listened to talk radio for 5 seconds you'd realize that there are plenty of conservatives out there as brain dead as you think "My Name is Lance" is pretending to be. He's the real deal, as scary as it may seems. Loves guns, hates gays, hates blacks and hispanics and most women, and (and this is the funniest part) thinks that HE is the one that is smarter than everyone else.

Um, Lance is not a conservative. He has not hidden the fact that he is a socialist libertarian.

Now, T-Rex. You know you're not s'posed to post til you've had your meds. I don't hate anyone, though I do bear ill feelings toward those who advance agendas & I enjoy poking holes in their silly arguments..

And I'd agree I'm more libertarian than Republican, for sure. But I don't favor 'gay rights', whatever that is or torturing unborn babies to death as a form of b/c. So I guess I'm a libertarian conservative?

On foreign policy, I'm definitely libertarian..

my name is Lance wrote:

I don't favor 'gay rights', whatever that is

You don't know what it is, but you know you don't favor it? Huh? Critical thinking is not your strong point I guess.

Some of us don't use the Bible as any reference for leading out lives.

Not a bible believer but you lack understandjng and greater comprehension. The old testament was written to show a need for a savior. The new testament is a fulfillment of this. The old laws are done...get it? DONE! If you follow the bible you follow Christ's law or freaking stop saying you are a christian because you are NOT! Coach D apparently believes he is sinless. If homosexuality is a sin, it is just like all other sins...no better or worse. For people to say otherwise is as ignorant as ignorant can get. And if you believe the bible, no one is sinless.How can you throw out conversation on religious topics when you know nothing about it?

Earth to nimrod wrote:

my name is Lance wrote:

I don't favor 'gay rights', whatever that is

You don't know what it is, but you know you don't favor it? Huh? Critical thinking is not your strong point I guess.

Sorry, sometimes I forget I need to speak slowly & explain things better, given the audience here..

What I mean is there is no such thing as 'gay rights', so I'm flummoxed as to what that movement could be about. What - you think you're entitled to special privilege because you enjoy perverted sex acts with dudes? Why would you think that? There's no moral basis & no constitutional basis. It's just a group of twisted pervs trying to band together & demand society treat them as 'normal'.

Pretty sad.. The homo lifestyle has to be the most depressing thing.

i am curious wrote:

The old laws are done...get it? DONE!

Matthew 5:17-20 would seem to suggest otherwise.

Christ was the fulfillment of the law. Once the law was fulfilled, it was DONE! Don't just read the bible, comprehend it if you are going to use verses.

Augusto E. Perez wrote:

i am curious wrote:

The old laws are done...get it? DONE!

Matthew 5:17-20 would seem to suggest otherwise.

You don't know what gay rights are buy you know what the homosexual lifestyle is? Are you serious? Gays aren't asking for a special privilege. They are merely asking for the same privilege that straight couples have. Tired of hearing about gay rights? Join the movement to have the government to treat them as equals, and when they have equality, the movement will end. Your personal opinion about someone elses sexual orientation should not over ride common decency toward other human beings.

My name is Lance wrote:

Earth to nimrod wrote:

You don't know what it is, but you know you don't favor it? Huh? Critical thinking is not your strong point I guess.

Sorry, sometimes I forget I need to speak slowly & explain things better, given the audience here..

What I mean is there is no such thing as 'gay rights', so I'm flummoxed as to what that movement could be about. What - you think you're entitled to special privilege because you enjoy perverted sex acts with dudes? Why would you think that? There's no moral basis & no constitutional basis. It's just a group of twisted pervs trying to band together & demand society treat them as 'normal'.

Pretty sad.. The homo lifestyle has to be the most depressing thing.

My name is Lance wrote:

Earth to nimrod wrote:

You don't know what it is, but you know you don't favor it? Huh? Critical thinking is not your strong point I guess.

Sorry, sometimes I forget I need to speak slowly & explain things better, given the audience here..

What I mean is there is no such thing as 'gay rights', so I'm flummoxed as to what that movement could be about. What - you think you're entitled to special privilege because you enjoy perverted sex acts with dudes? Why would you think that? There's no moral basis & no constitutional basis. It's just a group of twisted pervs trying to band together & demand society treat them as 'normal'.

Pretty sad.. The homo lifestyle has to be the most depressing thing.

and there you have it. Absolute proof that Lance is a troll.

or just very, very, very stupid

i am curious wrote:

Christ was the fulfillment of the law. Once the law was fulfilled, it was DONE! Don't just read the bible, comprehend it if you are going to use verses.

Have heaven and earth disappeared? Is everything accomplished?

When this was written, it was believed (by those early Christians) that the Kingdom would be achieved in the Holy Land on a short human timescale.

Were you alive to know what those early Christians believed? Duh, no. Christ's death was the fulfillment of the law. If it wasn't, how did he come to fulfill it? The law set up things to not do and to give consequences for doing things you were not. Christ's law tells you what to do, not what not to do. Christians believe his death was atonement for all sin for those who believe. His death replaced the need for priests and penance for forgiveness of sin. This is how the law was fulfilled. They law was given to show the need for a savior in the old testament. His death was fulfillment of the law in the new testament.