The 10k is his only shot. No way he can compete with even the top 15 american 5k runners presently. and they havent peaked yet either.
i think there is a very remote chance for webb in the 10k. if he can run 1320ish in the next 2 mos, he can hit 27:20. not likely but im a believer.
Mgreeman wrote:
The 10k is his only shot. No way he can compete with even the top 15 american 5k runners presently. and they havent peaked yet either.
i think there is a very remote chance for webb in the 10k. if he can run 1320ish in the next 2 mos, he can hit 27:20. not likely but im a believer.
Does he even need to hit 27:20? Why not like 28:xx with a really fast kick and then chase the A-standard of 27:40 by July 21?
if he can go get down to 1:43 high again he can probably
go 13:00/27:10. I am sure Ventolin can analyze this in detail
by making some realistic assumptions.
Webb is done physically (and so is Bairu).
In my opinion, I believe that Webb (and Bairu) have impaired CNS and/or endocrine function; Webb from overtraining after his AR and Bairu from the marathon he collapsed in. I think both runners are unable to get as fit as in the past because they have done irreparable harm to their bodies.
Simon screwed up by getting on the thyroid meds. His system has never been the same. It is a slippery slope and now he is messed up for life. I hope that he is bitter enough to be a whistle blower, but I doubt it.
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LOOK HOW SMOOTH CHRIS SOLINSKY LOOKS RIGHT NOW WITH 800 METERS LEFT...
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LOOK AT THIS GAP...IT'S GROWING!...LOOK AT THIS!
CHRIS SOLINSKY! HE'S ONLY ON 500 METERS BETWEEN A WIN, A DEBUT...AN AWESOME DEBUT, AND AN AMERICAN RECORD!
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26 FLAT!!! OH MY GOD!!!!!! 26:03 OHHH MYYY GOOODDD!!! HE JUST RAN A 60.2!!! CHRIS SOLINSKY, A 60 AND HE BREAKS 27!!!
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THERE IS NO QUESTION WHO'S GONNA WIN THIS RACE!
200 METERS TO GO. WHAT'S THE TIME. GIVE IT TO ME!!!
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55...HE MIGHT BREAK 27 MINUTES!!!
56...
57...COME ON CHRIS
58...
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HE'S GONNA RUN LIKE, 27:05
firststeptrials wrote:
In my opinion, I believe that Webb (and Bairu) have impaired CNS and/or endocrine function; Webb from overtraining after his AR and Bairu from the marathon he collapsed in. I think both runners are unable to get as fit as in the past because they have done irreparable harm to their bodies.
wow you definitely sound like an expert on that post
Tooled up wrote:
Webb still has all the tools he needs to be a world class runner. The problem is the tools are locked in a shed, and he doesn't have a key to the shed. Not only that but the shed is located in a secret underground lair on a different continent to Webb and he doesn't have a map to find it. It's also an invisible shed.
If the shed is on a different continent, then he doesn't have the shed.
If the tools are in this shed that he doesn't have, then he doesn't have the tools.
That gave me a good laugh!
When Alan Webb ran 13:45 in the spring in 2005, he went on to run 3:50 for the mile.
When Alan Webb ran 13:30 the following spring in 2006, he wenton to to run 3:48.9 in the mile.
This spring, Alan Webb ran 13:37. So he must be doing something right. The only time he's run a faster 5000m has been at the END of summer (13:10).
Is Schumacher still coaching him, or who is?
Irrelephant wrote:
crazy raisin wrote:Should Webb do the 10K at Nats?
That's entirely the decision... and business...of Alan Webb, his coach, and/or his agent. No one else.
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In this case the agent will not have much to say. Webb's market value to get a lane in Europe is zero. Same for the US. I think the primary goal for his team is to get him competitive on national level first. Its cut and dry on what he has to do , one race at a time.
its not over till its over wrote:
Irrelephant wrote:That's entirely the decision... and business...of Alan Webb, his coach, and/or his agent. No one else.
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In this case the agent will not have much to say. Webb's market value to get a lane in Europe is zero. Same for the US. I think the primary goal for his team is to get him competitive on national level first. Its cut and dry on what he has to do , one race at a time.
maybe for europe. not at all the case in the US. Wherever Webb races people will be interested. He could get a lane in any race in the US.
I am reminded of Salazar's book, 14 minutes. The thing that struck me most of how after the middle of 1983, he spent a decade chasing ever declining performances, trying to get the "magic" back. A decade - meaning the time period in which he was experiencing utter frustration and lots of injury was considerably longer than the period he truly enjoyed competing. The parallels with Webb are striking. I can't help but think of a guy like Chris Lukecic, Webb's former training partner and a fine runner - he knew when to quit and go on to a life. Then again, he had a Georgetown education and a career focus to pursue.
I am reminded of Salazar's book, 14 minutes. The thing that struck me most of how after the middle of 1983, he spent a decade chasing ever declining performances, trying to get the "magic" back. A decade - meaning the time period in which he was experiencing utter frustration and lots of injury was considerably longer than the period he truly enjoyed competing. The parallels with Webb are striking. I can't help but think of a guy like Chris Lukecic, Webb's former training partner and a fine runner - he knew when to quit and go on to a life. Then again, he had a Georgetown education and a career focus to pursue.
yyy wrote:if he can go get down to 1:43 high again he can probably
go 13:00/27:10. I am sure Ventolin can analyze this in detail
by making some realistic assumptions.
i can never see him getting back down to 1'43, especially now that 5 & 10k seem to be his races
i'd be surprised if he even breaks 1'46 this year
i think a coulpa prelim lines of fit for him to aim for this year may be
49.3 / 1'46.0 ->
3'31.4
4'49.5
7'30.5
13'04.8
27'42.1
or
49.4 / 1'46.0 ->
3'31.0
4'48.8
7'28.9
13'01.5
27'33.0
all this is telling me is that i doubt he will even get close to 1'46, because, if he does, he'll still be capable of 3'31 & no real point in going for 5 let alone 10k
his 1500 days may not yet be over...
i can see webb hitting 2742, but none of the other times.
this observation is true: webb lost the "pop" in his stride after 2008.
i have no idea if that is related to the achilles thing, aging process or juicing...but the fact remains he's looked like an altogether DIFFERENT runner since. even his 336 under salazar looked downright flat, when compared to the razcko (and shortly post razcko) webb.