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  • basic journalism
    6 years ago 04/16/2013 1:31pm CDT
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    Coach/runner at the start says they were making loud speaker announcements 'this is just a drill' with sniffing dogs and active police sweeps. Says the police presence was much more active than he had seen at previous world-level marathons.

    Did anyone else hear and notice this?

    Who knew what, what did they know, when did they know it and what actions were taken?

    I've seen enough to know it's time to fold up the pic nic blanket when they start saying 'don't panic, this is just a drill.'

    http://www.local15tv.com/mostpopular/story/UM-Coach-Bomb-Sniffing-Dogs-Spotters-on-Roofs/BrirjAzFPUKKN8z6eSDJEA.cspx
  • ImMad
    6 years ago 04/16/2013 1:34pm CDT
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    I suspect they had a hunch it would happen, at least.

    Does this look typical 3 seconds after an explosion?

    http://rack.2.mshcdn.com/media/ZgkyMDEzLzA0LzE1LzBiL2Jvc3Rvbm1hcmF0LjMxMmMwLmpwZwpwCXRodW1iCTk1MHg1MzQjCmUJanBn/7ae327e9/809/boston-marathon-explosion.jpg

    It looks very surreal.
  • krispy kremlin
    6 years ago 04/16/2013 1:41pm CDT
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    I was a little up-ended by the black van with the swat-looking team sitting in the back that preceded each group of leaders. And this was well out on the course. Anyone else notice /think it odd?
  • verify.
    6 years ago 04/16/2013 1:42pm CDT
    re: krispy kremlin
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    krispy kremlin wrote:

    I was a little up-ended by the black van with the swat-looking team sitting in the back that preceded each group of leaders. And this was well out on the course. Anyone else notice /think it odd?

    wtf?
  • krispy kremlin
    6 years ago 04/16/2013 1:47pm CDT
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    verify. wrote:

    krispy kremlin wrote:

    I was a little up-ended by the black van with the swat-looking team sitting in the back that preceded each group of leaders. And this was well out on the course. Anyone else notice /think it odd?

    wtf?


    Yeah, definitely.. black van, back doors open. Two guys with guns dressed in black fatigues with legs dangling out. Preceded each group of leaders a good distance in front of the clock/media trucks.
  • verify.
    6 years ago 04/16/2013 1:52pm CDT
    re: krispy kremlin
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    wow, like little bird from black hawk down?
  • hayward102
    6 years ago 04/16/2013 1:53pm CDT
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    Legitimate questions are fine, but this seems more like the post-event garbage after Sandy Hook. This is an event with hundreds of thousands of people in a major city. Bomb-sniffing dogs don't surprise me. Maybe the police presence was higher. Maybe this guy was just in a spot yesterday, at the right time, to see what he thought was a larger presence than at other events. The follow up comment with the link to the photo is ridiculous. What doesn't look natural about the photo? You're near the finish line where a larger police presence is going to be. They hear a bomb go off. They run into the street. What is the photo supposed to look like?
  • ImMad
    6 years ago 04/16/2013 1:57pm CDT
    re: krispy kremlin
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    Here's the interview with the guy who told the news he saw bomb sniffing dogs.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0HWRQ8YnrWg#!

    I am not shocked at all. It is great that they took preventative measures, as they should always. Hypothetically, they could have had one dog give the, "there's a bomb here somewhere" signal and they were on heightened alert. The dog may have picked up the smell from many, many city blocks away earlier in the day and if the other dogs don't give a similar reaction they are in limbo on how to proceed.

    Also, didn't they shut off cell service when the bombs detonated? That is probably protocol when a bomb goes off as it prevents other explosions. If I remember correctly there were reports of many found unexploded devices and one purposefully exploded device yesterday. Whereas, today in the news they claim this is false.
  • Slanted and Enchanted
    6 years ago 04/16/2013 2:01pm CDT
    re: ImMad
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    ImMad wrote:

    I suspect they had a hunch it would happen, at least.

    Does this look typical 3 seconds after an explosion?

    http://rack.2.mshcdn.com/media/ZgkyMDEzLzA0LzE1LzBiL2Jvc3Rvbm1hcmF0LjMxMmMwLmpwZwpwCXRodW1iCTk1MHg1MzQjCmUJanBn/7ae327e9/809/boston-marathon-explosion.jpg

    It looks very surreal.

    I feel kind of bad saying this, but that is really a cool picture. As you said, it seems very surreal.

    Anyway, they have already come out and said there were no hunches. I expect that any large event like Boston is going to have ridiculous security now that the Federal Gov is handing out cash for security like it is monopoly money.
  • krispy kremlin
    6 years ago 04/16/2013 2:05pm CDT
    re: ImMad
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    ImMad wrote:

    Here's the interview with the guy who told the news he saw bomb sniffing dogs.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0HWRQ8YnrWg#!

    I am not shocked at all. It is great that they took preventative measures, as they should always. Hypothetically, they could have had one dog give the, "there's a bomb here somewhere" signal and they were on heightened alert. The dog may have picked up the smell from many, many city blocks away earlier in the day and if the other dogs don't give a similar reaction they are in limbo on how to proceed.

    Also, didn't they shut off cell service when the bombs detonated? That is probably protocol when a bomb goes off as it prevents other explosions. If I remember correctly there were reports of many found unexploded devices and one purposefully exploded device yesterday. Whereas, today in the news they claim this is false.

    The denial of undetonated explosions that I'm hearing today do strike me as a little odd.

    I'm.not a conspiracy-theory kind of person but I hold to my earlier comment about the black van with the armed dudes sitting out the back. I mentioned it to my friend standing beside me at the time and then didn't think about it again. Perhaps this is common every year and I just happened to notice it this year.
  • smd
    6 years ago 04/16/2013 2:12pm CDT
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    ImMad wrote:

    I suspect they had a hunch it would happen, at least.

    Does this look typical 3 seconds after an explosion?

    http://rack.2.mshcdn.com/media/ZgkyMDEzLzA0LzE1LzBiL2Jvc3Rvbm1hcmF0LjMxMmMwLmpwZwpwCXRodW1iCTk1MHg1MzQjCmUJanBn/7ae327e9/809/boston-marathon-explosion.jpg

    It looks very surreal.

    I don't know, let's compare it to the vast data pool we all have of what it typically looks like three seconds after an explosion at a marathon.
  • In Boston
    6 years ago 04/16/2013 2:17pm CDT
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    The training dogs have been there every year I've done Boston - 9 years. Both at the Athlete's Village and at the finish line. At the AV, the PA guy makes the same announcement every year about asking the handlers before you pet the dogs.


    basic journalism wrote:

    Coach/runner at the start says they were making loud speaker announcements 'this is just a drill' with sniffing dogs and active police sweeps. Says the police presence was much more active than he had seen at previous world-level marathons.

    Did anyone else hear and notice this?

    Who knew what, what did they know, when did they know it and what actions were taken?

    I've seen enough to know it's time to fold up the pic nic blanket when they start saying 'don't panic, this is just a drill.'

    http://www.local15tv.com/mostpopular/story/UM-Coach-Bomb-Sniffing-Dogs-Spotters-on-Roofs/BrirjAzFPUKKN8z6eSDJEA.cspx
  • dean moriarty
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    6 years ago 04/16/2013 2:22pm CDT
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    Yes - this. There is always serious security at the start and finish of most major urban marathons, including dogs. The people worked up in a frenzy over this stuff, I suspect, are people who don't spend time in cities, haven't run major marathons before, or are conspiracy wackjobs. Or all three.
  • Sesamoiditis
    6 years ago 04/16/2013 2:24pm CDT
    re: krispy kremlin
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    krispy kremlin wrote:

    ImMad wrote:

    Here's the interview with the guy who told the news he saw bomb sniffing dogs.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0HWRQ8YnrWg#!

    I am not shocked at all. It is great that they took preventative measures, as they should always. Hypothetically, they could have had one dog give the, "there's a bomb here somewhere" signal and they were on heightened alert. The dog may have picked up the smell from many, many city blocks away earlier in the day and if the other dogs don't give a similar reaction they are in limbo on how to proceed.

    Also, didn't they shut off cell service when the bombs detonated? That is probably protocol when a bomb goes off as it prevents other explosions. If I remember correctly there were reports of many found unexploded devices and one purposefully exploded device yesterday. Whereas, today in the news they claim this is false.

    The denial of undetonated explosions that I'm hearing today do strike me as a little odd.

    I'm.not a conspiracy-theory kind of person but I hold to my earlier comment about the black van with the armed dudes sitting out the back. I mentioned it to my friend standing beside me at the time and then didn't think about it again. Perhaps this is common every year and I just happened to notice it this year.


    I have watched the marathon the past two years and the van with the guards was there both years.
  • akdkalala
    6 years ago 04/16/2013 2:27pm CDT
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    krispy kremlin wrote:
    The denial of undetonated explosions that I'm hearing today do strike me as a little odd.

    I don't think it's odd. Bomb squad typically blow up more people's lunches than real bombs because someone gets spooked by a suspicious bag. Think how many bags or backpacks must have been around yesterday and how many people must have dropped when the panic hit.
  • there is no safety
    6 years ago 04/16/2013 2:30pm CDT
    re: ImMad
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    ImMad wrote:

    I suspect they had a hunch it would happen, at least.

    Does this look typical 3 seconds after an explosion?

    http://rack.2.mshcdn.com/media/ZgkyMDEzLzA0LzE1LzBiL2Jvc3Rvbm1hcmF0LjMxMmMwLmpwZwpwCXRodW1iCTk1MHg1MzQjCmUJanBn/7ae327e9/809/boston-marathon-explosion.jpg

    It looks very surreal.

    You can find footage from the explosion online. The police is kind of bewildered right after the explosion, nothing like this picture. But I suppose you think that's bad too.

    The fact is that even though the police was well prepared and apparently did their job well, we are not safe from the terrorists. They have to be stopped before they get to the crime scene.
  • Ho Hum
    6 years ago 04/16/2013 2:38pm CDT
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    The police and dogs are there for exactly this kind of situation. I suppose you would've been happier if there was one traffic cop twiddling his thumbs a mile away instead?
  • genuine random a hole
    6 years ago 04/16/2013 2:44pm CDT
    re: smd
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    smd wrote:


    I don't know, let's compare it to the vast data pool we all have of what it typically looks like three seconds after an explosion at a marathon.

    Best answer.
  • agip
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    6 years ago 04/16/2013 2:52pm CDT
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    hey, great, the conspiracy people are here. I'm surprised it took this long.

    I really hate conspiracy theorists - they are always wrong and never give up. Pretty good definition of stupidity.
  • i hate conspiracy theories
    6 years ago 04/16/2013 3:03pm CDT
    re: krispy kremlin
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    That pic is misleading with your comments as if the police were waiting for a bomb to explode. Watch the video footage and you\'ll see what happens. The man on the ground is a great 78yo runner from Washington state. He\'s the only runner that hit the ground. And you can watch the police move into place as trained, but in surprise of what happened.

    As to the undetonated explosions, that was media confusion, by words misunderstood from Boston police. Boston police had said something to the effect that they had found two explosive devices. They were referring to the 2 bombs that exploded. But those words were misunderstood by some in the media as if two unexploded devices had been found. I don\'t know why Boston police worded it this way, other than maybe to clarify the explosions weren\'t accidents such as a gas leak.