no
this was contemporary account
NOT book written decades later
what have book sources given for 800 time & last 300 ?
no
you hadn't a clue what was best estimate as you have not seen vid either
only an inadequate thinker settles on lowest of range without thought
You dismissed ALL of the above and stubbornly refused to even consider anything apart from a "reputable German broadsheet's" claim it was 49.4. You were WRONG!
get a clue
no one offered a vid analysis
a contemporary, local broadsheet account is best 1st source
you are posting drivel
the contemporary, local broadsheet was wrong for 400 but not much for 300 at 36.4
i wasn't the "contemporary, local broadsheet"
more rubbish
read above
i posted a contemporary, local, detailed broadsheet account
NOT my account
no
that with 400 to go, Tummler took off and Norpoth did everything he could to impede Ryun. Ryun went wide around Norpoth and chased after Tummler, catching him with 300 to go. At this point, reported: "For a split second, they were even but then Jim accelerated like nothing I have ever seen. It made his 3:33.1 look like just another run. Suddenly the packed stadium developed lockjaw. They were stunned and speechless. I never expect to see anything quite like it again. Many times were offered for Jim over his last 300, and 200, but I timed him and feel that 36.4, and 24.8 seem reasonable. It was worth coming to Europe.
learn
contemporary broadsheet account
clueless
i didn't start this thread without knowing about him since late '60s years ago
i thought keino was talking nonsense when he said ( to my source ) he never wanted to run ever against '67 ryun when i was young then, but this race description shows it
utter drivel
this shows you have no clue about track
he ran 36.5 on a chewed-up dirt track in a 3'38.2
where on earth have you ever found a 36.5 finish in a 3'38 race to even contemplate if they weren't flat-out in last 300 ???
who the hell has ever run sub-36.5 in a sub-3'38.2 ???
name them
fast 1st laps enforce a slow 2nd lap
slow 1st laps enforce nothing but guarantee a slow overall time
show me a 3'30 off a 57 or 58
where is it ?
you really are clueless
3'36/1'48 is just bare physics conversion
learn something for tenth time
it's not generous, as canova stated bloody obvious that slow laps can't be recovered - mo's 26'46 was more like 5 or 6s faster than his physics-flattened out time
~ 26'35
as for ryun
what on earth do you think his "bare physics"
3'36+/1'48+
converts to on a chewed up dirt track at lot more than 1s/lap
try 1.5s/lap
here it is
3'32.5+/1'45.5+
what part of ~
http://kuhistory.com/articles/ryuns-run/you not comprehend about deluged, conveyor belt track for lj, 46.9 for 440y relay after a 3'55.8 ???
no
you know nothing
komen even in 7'20 coudn't run faster than low-50 & he was good for 3'30-flat
learn :
he ran a flat-out 1'47.3 just 1/52 before 7'20
endurance doesn't help here - you need incredible speed
i ask you again
how many guys have finished a 3'38 race in 36.5 ???
in a crap 3'45+
bring up his 3'38 on chewed up dirt
or cram's virtually same last 400 of 50-flat
it's embarassing you are even bringing up a 3'45 synthetic race
you have no clue about this
you have no idea about aouita's 400 speed
eh ???
it's pretty damn solid evidence
how many times do you have to be told & keep ignoring
http://kuhistory.com/articles/ryuns-run/get a clue for tenth+ reposting
can't you do basic maths ???
46.9 for 440y
-> 46.6 for 400m
flying leg is 0.7 - 0.8 loss
-> 47.3 - 47.4
NOW subtract the bare minimum of 1s/lap as last event on track after more chewing up
-> 46.3 - 46.4
then take off at minimum another 1s/lap for sodden surface for which required a conveyor belt brought in from a farm, as it was obvious sprinting was impossible in conditions
if you can get a guy who broke as many wr as ron & also had a qualified accountancy degree than offer it
low-grade tv commentators don't count
show me peter matthews statistics degree
i'll take ron
offer better...
get a clue
ron says it
countless guys here say it
learn to read or find a brain
if it's sodden requiring a conveyor belt for lj
it means track is basically unrunnable
ryun ran 3'55.8 then 46.9 on it later
what can't your brain comprehend about this ???
rubbish
ron said 1s/lap
find someone with more wrs + accountancy qualification
they don't give story of his 46.9
get a clue
these don't have "full story"
unlike his epic '66 relay, there is no mention of him being
"20y behind on sodden track"
he won 2 of the 3 relays, but lost the one when he ran a 880 prelim day before, then won mile, 880y then 3rd in 47.0
he wasn't running against keino or bodo
he was running against oklohoma
learn to read
or does not 36.5 finish in a 3'38.2 on a chewed up track tell you something about basic speed ???
how many times do you need to be told ???
46.9 on 440y, sodden dirt, requiring conveyor belt for lj
work it out again for 10th time
when he ran 800wr & ill
get it into your brain
800 was poor man's event in '60s/'70s
100/400/1500/M
were top events
drivel
1 never heard of a western guy who says his best speed was at 19 & not 20
rubbish
try again
fetch what he brought his previous 1500pb down to 3;33.1wr ???
drivel
what links for '66 ???
you posted nothing about '66
not on 440y tracks let alone sodden dirt
try harder
eh ???
where is this 45.5 ?
drivel
i don't have to mention that coe's pb is 46.8
that's stand alone rubbish
but of course he was worth 45.7 at his '81 peak
but anyone can can claim 46.8 anytime & can't be challenged
ryun was likely 45.3 in '66
i dread to think how fast in '67 when actually out of teen years
utter complete drivel
did nothing of
"36.5 on a chewed up dirt track in a 3'38.2"
get into your brain ???
why ???
can't you analyse properly ???
try again
you wasted my time already
now rework accounting for chewed-up dirt
ron confirmed 1s/lap
then some chump talking to roger said
"2 - 3s/lap when wet"
i'd imagine "wet" is not too far off the lower limit, but then you can offer nothing
no
he ran similar last 800 to '04 - 2+s slower
good but not even hicham, let alone ryun
i said abdi good for 3'27/3'28
what part of 2+s slower final time compared to chewed-up dirt your brain can't comprehend ???
completely clueless
you have no idea at all of the sport
for chewed up dirt, apply
1.5s/lap
you haven't a clue
i asked you
because you can think too hard
laban 3'29.91 v ryun on synthetic with fast pacing
give me scenario
rubbish
you can't do basic maths on subtracting ~ 1.5s/lap
nonsense
local contemporary broadsheet is always 1st call
utter cluelessnes
to think german broadsheets woud be innacurate shows how juvenile & lacking in history you are