Limit on Internationals

Why would you want to put limits on international acceptance?

They help teams win conference and national titles

It's a joke. There are entire rosters being filled with internationals. They are stealing scholarships from Americans.

Derrrrrr wrote:

It's time the NCAA follows the MLS and puts roster limitations into xc and track rosters on international students.

Protectionism?

For foreigners to be "stealing" scholarships from Americans the scholarships would have to belong to Americans in the first place. There's no birthright to an athletic scholarship. Run as fast as a foreigner and you'll get your scholarship.

There are actually are already limits on this

Ummmmmm wrote:

It's a joke. There are entire rosters being filled with internationals. They are stealing scholarships from Americans.

If you want a scholarship, sack up and compete. Why the hell does an American student deserve an athletic or academic scholarship over a foreigner who has performed better?

Because American's foot the tax burden for state and federally funded schools. Maybe the countries of origin should ante up for their "exports". Until that time they are eliminating opportunities for American athletes to obtain the support necessary to develop in the sport. It is time we stop training every one else's Olympic Team. Wake the hell up !!

whoareyou wrote:

Because American's foot the tax burden for state and federally funded schools. Maybe the countries of origin should ante up for their "exports". Until that time they are eliminating opportunities for American athletes to obtain the support necessary to develop in the sport. It is time we stop training every one else's Olympic Team. Wake the hell up !!

If a private donor pays for the scholarship, it is up to the donor to decide whether restrictions should be placed on who can receive the scholarship.

Ummmmmm wrote:

They are stealing scholarships from Americans.

Hysterical.

Listen: As a foreign grad from a US school who contributes to that school's endowment in several ways, I am paying for scholarships there. Are you? I doubt it? So don't tell me foreign kids are stealing from you. Most American kids and their families aren't contributing a dime to these scholarships; the scholarships were never theirs to be "stolen."

I'd rather the scholarships I contribute to go to a hard-working Kenyan changing his life with an education than a whiny brat with a philosophy of "if you can't beam them, ban them." Since most educated people feel this way, don't expect limits on foreign scholarships to private schools anytime soon.

I think what bothers most people about internationals is not simply the fact they are from another country, but the fact many come here at older ages and with more experience than their American counterparts. I believe this is why many people complain about Kenyans and the British invasion, but you don't hear many of the same arguments against Canadians, Jamaicans or other internationals that come as 18-year-olds .

This is all possible because the rulebook is written with American high schools, universities, and national systems in mind, but coaches are able to apply these rules to international educational and athletics systems. This is particularly effective when you combine with things such as the athletics activities waiver.

A simple solution to this problem would be amending the language of the NCAA rules on initial eligibility clocks, seasons of use and activities waivers for international students. Athletes that participate in organized competition during university enrollment should utilize a year of eligibility whether they run for the university or not. An argument could be made they should be allowed a redshirt season, but I would suggest otherwise since they aren't consciously redshirting. Medical waivers could be allowed with contemporaneous doctors notes just as they are for NCAA kids.

Further, athletes should not be able to use the activities waiver for "training for national team selection meets" or for competition that does not have strict qualifying standards(ie all-comers nationals meets). This is how all Brits get a 6th year; they can claim they were trying for an Olympic or world championship spot because they competed at the qualifying meet. The qualifying meet has no standards! Not exactly the same as the US Olympic trials or world championships qualifier.

Further, athletes that come here for grad school should not be permitted to take nine hours and only count as 75% scholarship people.

There are ways to solve the problem, it will just take more proactive coaches and administrators that actually care about the subject to get anything done.